Kajiuras music quality is dropping?

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I dont think keiko is getting marginalized, if anything shes getting more leads now. in Red Moon she had Yami no Uta and Tetote almost all to herself, and had strong parts in most of the other songs. Compared with Seventh heaven where she really only had Ongaku and Mata Kaze to herself.

it seems when Yuki writes darker songs Keiko features more (i think Red Moon as a whole is "darker" than Seventh Heaven) and if Kalafina's 3rd Album goes the way of Magia, we will be hearing a lot more from Keiko
 
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Kerahna said:
Discussion is good, but let's not attack each other here.
I don't like having to repeat this over and over, and I've received so many requests to take action, and I've had to defend you guys to them in private so many times I'm getting sick of it. If you can't discuss without the need to insult others, please do your discussing elsewhere.

"I was just explaining..." doesn't cut it as an excuse; there are plenty of ways to explain something politely and without being passive aggressive. Don't bother trying to (rudely) defend yourself either. Just stop acting so hostile against other members and they will do the same to you.

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Sure. Ban me if you want. You're a hypocritical wannabe pacifist whom always finds faults with my posts and Kizu's posts but no one else's. When I first started posting in this specific thread, all I did was join in the discussion and didn't insult anyone. However, Nick Hunter decided to cook a soup while I upgraded it to a stew. If you have a problem with it, by all means do what you must.
Omg. I didn't know banning was so easy. Maybe it complies with your level of intelligence Kerahna. <-- That was an insult.
 
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pikachuwei said:
I dont think keiko is getting marginalized, if anything shes getting more leads now. in Red Moon she had Yami no Uta and Tetote almost all to herself, and had strong parts in most of the other songs. Compared with Seventh heaven where she really only had Ongaku and Mata Kaze to herself.

it seems when Yuki writes darker songs Keiko features more (i think Red Moon as a whole is "darker" than Seventh Heaven) and if Kalafina's 3rd Album goes the way of Magia, we will be hearing a lot more from Keiko
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Huh, you're forgetting Kimi ga Hikari ni Kaete Iku and Kizuato. Also, some may disagree with me, but her participation in Seventh Heaven (the song) as main was fair enough. To be honest, I don't think Kalafina's songs are in any way dark (only Magia, maybe), so I can't really agree that when Yuki writes darker songs Keiko sings more as main.
 
I really love Hikaru's deep voice too :shy: If we do get a darker album hope she gets more parts like that, and more singing from yuki herself :ohoho:
 
However, Nick Hunter decided to cook a soup while I upgraded it to a stew
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My bad, should've known better than going sarcastic here, seeing as it only trolls people into more irritation. :spotlight: Sorry about that, OK?

Also, some may disagree with me, but her participation in Seventh Heaven (the song) as main was fair enough.
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Oops, I've forgotten it, too. :omg:

To be honest, I don't think Kalafina's songs are in any way dark (only Magia, maybe)
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Well, Yami no Uta not only sounds dark to me, but even obviously aspires to be so. :XD:
 
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Well, Yami no Uta not only sounds dark to me, but even obviously aspires to be so. :XD:
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Maybe it is because once I was listening to Yami no Uta here at home, and since I don't use headphones, my father came and heard it. He said it looked like a song from a singer from my country that mainly sings for children, so I can't think of it as dark anymore :XD:
 
Well, it WAS based on an Arabian-sounding theme that wasn't all that dark.
COme to think of it, maybe it's not the songs like Yami no Uta that sound dark, but the vocals (especially Keiko's mysterious alto) that make them sound like that? :XD:
 
Will Keiko ever complain about her role? maybe not. But the listener might not like it.
Depends. Being artistic and yourself is important, but fans/listener is important too.
After all you compose a music not for yourself, but to express yourself. And by expressing, it means that other has to know it too. If not, it doesn't make much sense.

Not too many fan servicing, not too stick on one's style... that's the perfect way.

Honestly, at first (especially in sprinter area) I was irritated too that Yuki has many vocalist, yet she still uses external voices. So what's the point of having a group?
Ok, forget about background singers. What about the main singers? Currently, Keiko has only 2 lead songs (Tetoteto and Ongaku) and having Tetoteto as her nearly solo song, whereas Hikaru and Wakana have a lot.

Not only Keiko actually... Yuriko Kaida too. Yuki should explore Yuriko's other voices too... she sounds amazing in a duet with... "merry" or someone I don't know.
Granted she has many kajiuran songs, but ... come... one....
 
Well, Keiko has more than two songs, but yeah. I still think she could still be used more.

As for Yuriko Kaida... I always prefer the choruses in the recorded versions to the live ones because... well, they just sound better, imo. I don't like it when Wakana, Hikaru and Keiko sing them because I think their voices are a bit too harsh for them (since most of the chorus parts are... "lighter," for lack of a better word).

Oh, I'd also love to hear Yuriko in another rock song. :nosebleed:
Haha.

Yuriko voice is very versatile, so I really want to hear Yuki use her more. Yuki's been using Wakana a lot lately, but personally, I like Yuriko's soprano voice better than Wakana's. Wakana's sounds too forced, imo... Oh, and Hikaru's too. Eek. Hers is really fake and just... no.

Thisismetryingnottobebiased.
 
^ I don't think it's only a matter of the chorus parts being "lighter" in the recorded version, but also because they have some kind of effect on them. I'm not saying that Yuriko's voice is unnatural or something like that, but the chorus do have an effect that give an "airy" feel to it.
 
Oh, there's definitely an effect. I'm just saying that Yuriko's voice is lighter all-around.

Like, I don't like listening to Lacrimosa live because of when they sing the chorus in the beginning. Compared to the recorded one with Hanae, it's just too loud and harsh for the feel of the song. Wakana's voice doesn't blend in well with the track. Fantasia too... and well, others. I dunno. I just don't like her voice in chorus parts because she's so damn loud and overpowers everything else. I know that her voice is just like that, but... yeah.

There's just this obvious difference when Kalafina sings with a track and when Yuriko sings with hers (FJ Live Vol. 4 Part I). I mean, yes, it's Yuriko's voice to begin with, but even Hikaru can blend in with it well. And because her voice is lighter, her parts sound better because she SUPPORTS the main vocal. She doesn't dominate.
 
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Personally, I don't think Keiko is getting the bad end of the stick at all. Just because a person gets the main melody doesn't mean that they have the most important part. Vocal layers are a huge aspect of Kalafina's sound, and Keiko is such an important participant in that. Her deep, unique voice adds a special color to the songs that wouldn't have existed if it was only Hikaru and Wakana on vocals, or if it was some other artist singing her part. Some of the FJ/Kala music that I'm fond of are my favorites because I'm in love with Keiko's background vocals (ex: Kagayaku, Magia, vanity live, Himeboshi, red moon). Yuki also said in her tweets (thanks for the translation, yuki.n!) that she herself enjoys singing harmonies more then the main melody, so why assume that an artist doesn't attain recognition or happiness unless they're at the forefront of a song? And anyway... for all the supposed lack of attention that Keiko's getting as a vocalist, she's certainly not short of any in PR.

mi_feng said:
Wakana's voice doesn't blend in well with the track. Fantasia too... and well, others. I dunno. I just don't like her voice in chorus parts because she's so damn loud and overpowers everything else. I know that her voice is just like that, but... yeah.
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I think that's more of an issue with mic levels and mixing. I mean, Kaori's voice is harsher than Wakana's, and arguably has the potential to overtake choruses (that girl can really push out powerful notes), but never does. And I highly doubt Wakana can battle three other vocalists in terms of volume and sing over all of them.
 
I agree that Kaori has the potential as well, but I was talking more about Kalafina.
In terms of mic levels and mixing... In the recorded versions, it's obvious that a lot of ~studio magic and editing takes place. You can hear Wakana's chorus parts, but just about: it's a good balance. She doesn't stick out as much as when she does in lives because it's obvious that they lowered the level of her voice in them. However, in the lives, the mics are pretty much all equal throughout the whole thing, so Wakana's chorus parts are just about equal to the melody. It isn't bad, but you certainly notice.
Sometimes Keiko gets really loud too, but for the most part, she blends pretty well (and it's not just because of her lower notes).

All I'm trying to say is: I prefer Yuriko doing chorus because of her lighter voice.

I'm not trying to bash Wakana, btw. I'm just pointing out a few things.
 
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Maybe some of her songs doesn't suit my tastes (some Kalafina's, some FJ's, some OST's music) but most do. :dote:

My least favourite OST is Achilles and the Tortoise.. but I thought maybe I'll like the soundtrack if I listen to it along with the movie.
My least favourite songs most came from Kalafina. (Well... maybe because they have more songs than FJ? :ohoho: )

But overall, I still love her music!!! :dote:
 
mebbe wakana likes singing loud =/

as for keiko having less solos... why dont we just think of it as a tradeoff since she gets all the "attention" and "photo ops" for being the best looking girl :nosebleed: i mean im pretty sure Keiko is the only one who gets invitations to magazines for solo photo shoots. (ive only ever seen hikaru and wakana in group photo shoots)

if she had more solos Hikaru and Wakana will feel left out :XD:
 
Hm personally I haven't explored Yuki's music far enough to determine whether it is slipping in quality. Every single kalafina has released however feels like an entirely different experience for me which just escalates my adoration for both Kalafina and Yuki Kajiura even further. I am wearing rose tinted glasses when I listen to her I guess but I find all her work to be awe inspiring even if some techiques she uses are repeated. Isn't that what makes her works entirely her own? Isn't that what style is? You can't expect someone to make entirely new pieces that stray from their signature style. Perhaps it would be great for Yuki to explore newer music genres further but as far as I see it her music quality is still as amazing as when I first heard it in .hack.

But whatever to the people that dislike her music thats on you. IDGAF honestly what your opinion is. Not like it will deter any experiences I have or anyone else who appreciates all her works even the subpar ones.

Now in certain instances I feel like she might have made a slip up or two. Like Toki no Maboroshi...etc. it sounded just like Parallel Hearts..the style was so similar that the song to me was a dud in her standards. It followed such a similar formula that it felt to me anyways like a total rehash.

Also i wish she would use Yuriko and Keiko more especially...Yuriko. I love Wakana but it really is a breath of fresh air when I don't have to hear her ass dominate a kalafina song. Thats probably why Sprinter remains my favorite of their songs because Hikaru has such a domineering precense as well as maya in the first part. Also the MATERIALIZE live was such a prime example of how it should not be performed. It should have been Yuriko's but for some insipid reason Yuki felt like giving Wakana the lead AGAIN. It was such a great song but some parts were slightly painful.
 
i thought wakana was perfectly alright in materialize =/

maybe yuki wanted yuriko to save her energy for the epic finale

and wakana doesnt dominate Kalafina anymore imo (unless its a ballad), feels like the leads are moving towards Hikaru
 
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