Kajiuras music quality is dropping?

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I don't think her music overall is repetitive. I think that, since nowadays she uses violin a little too much among other things, it seems that everything is just the same. But it's her style, and well, that happens with every composer/musician so I see it as a normal cycle.
Even though Keiko isn't used as much as main vocal, her participation is extremely important to the trio and shouldn't be considered as an acessory, like Kaida in Kalafina. Take Lacrimosa for example. She doesn't sing any part as main, but take her back away and see the results.
I repeat, I would like to hear more from her as main vocal. She has the talent, she's awesome, so why not? But even so, her part as back is so unique that I don't think she should stop doing that as well. (in a sense I'm dreaming for another Kizuato, in the sense that she and Wakana swaps from back to main. It was so cool).
Well, Kajiura still uses her viola, not as much as the violin, but ARIA for example has the viola. Mata Kaze... has cello. Natsu no Ringo has Quena. It's not much, but it hasn't disappeared completely.
If there's seomthing I miss from Kalafina was their overlapping voices, one singing one phrase after the other sung. Not that every song of them has this and not that the song has to have this in order to be good, but it was a nice aspect that I think was more frequent in Seventh Heaven than in Red Moon. That was one of the things I liked the most in sprinter, Kimi ga Hikari ni Kaete Iku, Seventh Heaven and even fairytale.
 
If Keiko sounds like a dispencable chorus, then let's move her already. And forget about Kimi ga, Kizuato, Love Come Down, Fairytale, Ongaku, Tetotetometome, Fantasia, Yami no Uta, Hoshi no Utai, Progressive, I Have a Dream... Wait, did I just list one third of Kalafina songs? Boy, and these are only the tracks where she has distinct solo parts. You can also experiment with her backing parts, but I can barely imagine how Oblivious, Lacrimosa or Magia would sound without her.
Oh, and it's such a shame to give in to make way for Wakana and Kaori in the final part of Nohara... After you have successfully carried out the WHOLE song. Of course, it was like that since the beginning, when in Kaze no Machi he she was likewise overpowered by the chorus part...
Let my words not be taken for mockery, but for intended mild sarcasm. My point is that, while Keiko could definitely use more solos, somehow I don't quite see her as the neglected one. And judging by her determination and devotion regarding Kalafina (or, to put it bluntly, by the fact she's still there in the first place), neither does she. Maybe she just has a clearer understanding of her role in the group than the one we uphold here?
 
tsubasa said:
because its a group song, means they have a part to role there even its more or less.
Believe it or not, just because you're in a group doesn't mean that you should be subjected to minor tasks over 90% of the time.
Nick Hunter said:
If Keiko sounds like a dispencable chorus, then let's move her already. And forget about Kimi ga, Kizuato, Love Come Down, Fairytale, Ongaku, Tetotetometome, Fantasia, Yami no Uta, Hoshi no Utai, Progressive, I Have a Dream... Wait, did I just list one third of Kalafina songs? Boy, and these are only the tracks where she has distinct solo parts.
Distinct solo parts in Fairytale and Hoshi no Utai? Really?
Last time I checked, Keiko had two little lines in Fairytale in addition to switching with Wakana.
Hoshi no Utai? Want to sing for two lines and then get cut off completely? Sing for two lines and get cut off AGAIN?
Oh. And let's not forget progressive where she has this tiny little bit in the middle of the song.
So 8/30 = 1/3?
And since you're so scholarly in the area of mathematics and whatnot I have a piece of advice for you: Use a dictionary.
Nick Hunter said:
Oh, and it's such a shame to give in to make way for Wakana and Kaori in the final part of Nohara... After you have successfully carried out the WHOLE song.
I'm so sorry for Kaori having that random part in the towards the end of the song and for the Wakana and Yuriko Kaida for being some damn loud at the bridge so that we couldn't hear her horrible Engrish skills. That really is the WHOLE song isn't it?
Nick Hunter said:
Kaze no Machi he she was likewise overpowered by the chorus part...
There is no reply for this because I don't see how this is related to Kalafina and while this applies to FJ, it was made in 2005 and in NO PART OF THE DAMN SONG DOES KEIKO SING WHILE THERE IS A CHORUS.
Nick Hunter said:
And judging by her determination and devotion regarding Kalafina (or, to put it bluntly, by the fact she's still there in the first place), neither does she. Maybe she just has a clearer understanding of her role in the group than the one we uphold here?
Mhm girl. Mhm. Contracts. And stop assuming that everything is like the Garden of Eden regarding them just because they make it seem that way. And so you think that just Kajiura believes that altos should be subjected to support roles I shouldn't state my opinion to believe otherwise? ^_^
Nick Hunter said:
Let my words not be taken for mockery, but for intended mild sarcasm.
Fail.
 
Mint Truffles said:
Believe it or not, just because you're in a group doesn't mean that you should be subjected to minor tasks over 90% of the time.

minor or not, its still a group work :tea:
 
A group whose division of power is unfair, unfortunately. Although Keiko's role is apparently accepted as "harmony" or minor most of the time, is it too much to ask just for maybe a few more songs with her as lead? When most people listen to songs on the radio, they only focus on the lead vocalist. They have no time to analyse the harmonies. Therefore, people most often hear "Wakana" and "Hikaru" when they listen to "Kalafina", and "Keiko" is perhaps unheard of most of the time.
 
Uhm. I'm "bearing" with it. It doesn't hurt to DISCUSS it in a FORUM though. This IS a forum, right? Because to get here I had to type in FORUM-dot-canta-dash-per-dash-me-dot-net. No tea. No shade. Just tellin' it as it is. 'Cause that's what I typed in. And that's what it says at the top of this page. Just clockin' the tea. Where it needs to be clocked.

BTW,
 
tsubasa said:
unfair or not, bear with it.
Crap. I didn't know that we weren't allowed to express our thoughts and opinions considering the topic of discussion is "Is Kajiura's music quality dropping?" I'm suppose to just bear with it. Bear with it. I'm kind of bearing with it since I haven't travelled to Japan and held a gun up to Kajiura's head. I'm kind of bearing with it since I haven't travelled to the Philippinnes and held a gun up to your head either. I'm kind of bearing it with it since I have to one day suffer from child birth even though I never chose to be a female. I'm kind of bearing with it since I have boobs that are going to someday sag. I'm kind of bearing with it since I'm going to have to go through menopause.
 
hmm..... , btw, just came to my thought....



somehow i feel that even Keiko doesn't complain about her role :tea:


:V:
 
No tea no shade, but next time you have lunch with her, tell her I want my red moon BD signed.
 
Last time I checked, Keiko had two little lines in Fairytale in addition to switching with Wakana.

Last time I checked, she had this and a whole verse before that. :ayashii:

Hoshi no Utai? Want to sing for two lines and then get cut off completely? Sing for two lines and get cut off AGAIN?

Then Sprinter is a nightmare of a song. :ohoho: But it's completely MY problem that I consider singing two lines alone as a solo part, so YMMV. :innocent: But this POV does sum up to my aforementioned list (and even 8/30 doesn' change the picture drastically). As to the dictionary - yep, my fail here. :desksweat: :XD:

There is no reply for this because I don't see how this is related to Kalafina

Kalafina and FJ are pretty different matters, IMHO, but I mentioned Kaze no Machi e in response to Nohara being mentioned here. Although it was sung not by Keiko of Kalafina, but as FictionJunction KEIKO. :ayashii:

Mhm girl. Mhm. Contracts. And stop assuming that everything is like the Garden of Eden regarding them just because they make it seem that way.

I'm cautious about using pink glasses on music industry, but that's exactly my point in the brackets. :plot: There's the Garden of Eden and then there are common tendencies in the music world, where bands split and reorganize for FAR LESS significant reasons. For all we know, it might be what really happened to Maya - deciding she'd better go solo instead of being part of the quartet. Keiko, on the other hand, is there, for whatever reason. Maybe she's fine with what she gets to do, maybe she chills out in FictionJunction and lives that feature her solos a lot more. In any case, we don't have enough safe data to clearly choose between whether she's the oppressed one or whether that only concerns our unfullfilled fan desires. You want a lot more Keiko, and I certainly wouldn't mind Eri Itoh in EVERY OTHER SONG Yuki writes. :ohoho: :ohoho: :ohoho: But we both have to bear with the reality, don't we? :XD:
And expressing opinions is ultimately free here. :sparkleguy: Yours being that Kajiura's music quality is dropping and she neglects Keiko, mine being that "it isn't" and "she doesn't" respectively. It's just that such contrasting opinions tend to create tension - but debates and objections are pretty much what we're always prepared for once we post something. Forums are generally not for stating opinions (that's what comments are supposed to have been made for), but for DISCUSSING them. Cue debates, holywars and such. And still, bearing with other people's views is sane enough in itself. I know people who aren't impressed by Yuki's music at all - but I've never felt like going postal on them for that. :XD: Neither have you, as it seems, so I don't see a problem here. :tea:
 
Before this thread completely escalates into an all-out flame fest, let me quickly say my piece.

For every performing artiste, there are lovers and haters.

The artistes also have absolutely no legal obligation to exist for both parties, especially for the latter.

Similarly, lovers and haters alike are not bound by contract to listen to any artiste. If they do so, it is purely out of their own choosing.

Therefore, if you are upset about certain musical qualities of any particular artiste. You have the right and the freedom of choice to not listen to them.

Simple as that.

For me, Kajiura is doing an excellent job at what she does. And I support her for that.
:hero: :fan:
 
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Nick Hunter said:
Last time I checked, she had this and a whole verse before that. :ayashii:

To clarify, I think Mint referred to "two little lines" as "Zutto tooku e aruiteku natsukashii omokage ; Zutto tooku ga kimi no ie tadoritsuke wa shinai", which is the equivalent of the "whole verse" you mention.
 
Discussion is good, but let's not attack each other here.
I don't like having to repeat this over and over, and I've received so many requests to take action, and I've had to defend you guys to them in private so many times I'm getting sick of it. If you can't discuss without the need to insult others, please do your discussing elsewhere.

"I was just explaining..." doesn't cut it as an excuse; there are plenty of ways to explain something politely and without being passive aggressive. Don't bother trying to (rudely) defend yourself either. Just stop acting so hostile against other members and they will do the same to you.

This will be the final warning.
Yes I know about the multiple accounts. You're welcome to use those but the same rules apply, and banning takes a lot fewer clicks than making a new account.
 
Hi,

I'm not watching the forum lately but george1234 gave me the link to this thread.

I just remembered something that Kajiura once said on her twitter - I might be able to find it back, but it was several months ago already. Anyway.

She said that many people have been asking her why she doesn't give more lead vocals to some particular vocalists. Then she said that she doesn't think of who should be given more lead vocals, but rather, whose voice sounds better in that particular part. Also, for her, lead vocals are as important as background vocals and choir parts. Then she explained that she, herself, has always been alto, and she usually had to sing background vocals - and she likes that more than singing the melody.

Keiko is alto too, so it's normal that she doesn't sing as many lead vocals.

EDIT: Took me a while, but I found these posts, starting at this one: http://twitter.com/Fion0806/status/28653519687

and ending here:
http://twitter.com/Fion0806/status/28655847641

She actually said a lot more than what I just said. Unfortunately I don't have time to translate right now.Pasting in reverse order:
# ふふ、そしてアルト同士な皆様よ、賛同のご意見ありがとうございます。アルト楽しいよね〜(>▽<)。ハモ楽しもうぜー! Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 06:15:43 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# 作り手のわがままなのかもしれないけれど、そういう封に聞いて頂けたらなあ……と願っています。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 06:13:49 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# ただ、個人の歌い手さんとして聞くとしても、メロディーを歌っている時の××さんも、コーラスやってる時の××さんも、同じように頑張ってるし同じように個性も魅力も発揮していると私は思っているんです。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 06:13:41 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# 皆様色々なご意見ありがとう!一つだけ付け加えるとしたらね、特定の歌い手さんを応援して頂いたって勿論大歓迎なんですよ。みんなそれぞれ魅力ある歌い手さんだと私は思っているので! Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 06:13:16 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# アルトだったけど、第九のソプラノに回った事もある。歌下手だったけど、音域だけは無駄に広かったから(笑)、でもねやっぱりアルトが好きだったのさ。今はもうソプラノ音域は無理だけどー。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:56:45 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# ……てかよう、私自分の幼稚園から大学までの合唱部人生においてずっとアルトだったし、アルトめっちゃ楽しいんだぜ!ハーモニーの全体像を一番堪能出来るのは、低音歌いなんだぜ!低音歌い万歳!(笑)。いや、勿論高音歌いだってとっても気持ちいいし大事なのは知ってるけど! Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:49:07 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# せっかくお声をお寄せ下さった方には申し訳ない、という気持ちもありますが、ここはもう変わらない所なので、無理かもしれないけれどご理解下さい、とお願いするしかありません……。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:46:46 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# ただ自分の担当するユニットにおいては、それが初めからのやり方だったし、それを今後も変えるつもりもない。それだけの事なんです。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:46:34 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# だから申し訳ないけど、そういった意味での平等性を求められても、残念ながらそのお声にお応えする事は出来ません。正直諦めて下さい、と申し上げるしかありません。皆様からのお声をないがしろにしたい訳では決してないんですが……。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:45:51 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# 女子歌ユニットにおいて「メンバー全員が同じようは配分でメロディ−を歌う」的な考え方を否定するものでは勿論ありません。ただ、そうしようという考え方は私には一切無いし、今後もそう考えて曲を作ることはないでしょう。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:45:18 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# 誰がメロディーを歌って誰がコーラスを取るか、は完全に曲ありき。「特定の誰かにメロディーを歌わせる為だけに」曲を書く、という事は、少なくとも自分の「複数メンバ−コーラス重視」と考えているユニットにおいては、私はやりません。 Δευ 25 Οκτ 2010 05:44:51 πμ EET via TweetDeck

# レコーディングをしていても、下ハモ録っている時とかワクワクするんだよね。ああやっとこの「歌」完成した、的に。下ハモ(もしくは三声四声)含めての一つのメロディー、という曲も結構多いんです。 5:43 AM Oct 25th, 2010 via TweetDeck

# その分、コーラスやハーモニーが無ければ、曲の魅力減るどころか半減、という曲も結構多いと思います。そんな曲を作っています。だから複数メンバー必要なんです。「メロディーを歌っていない人」もその曲においては絶対に不可欠な存在なんですよ。 5:43 AM Oct 25th, 2010 via TweetDeck

# 私は、コーラスを重視する自分のユニットにおいては、メロディーを歌っている人もコーラスを取っている人も、どちらが主役と考えた事はないんです。どちらも無くてはならない存在。役割は完全に五分五分です。 5:42 AM Oct 25th, 2010 via TweetDeck

# 「何人組」的な歌ものユニットをやっていたりすると、たまに頂くんですよね、「××さんがメロディー歌う部分が少なすぎる、もっと歌わせて」的なご意見を。 5:42 AM Oct 25th, 2010 via TweetDeck
 
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Kizuato* said:
Nick Hunter said:
Last time I checked, she had this and a whole verse before that. :ayashii:

To clarify, I think Mint referred to "two little lines" as "Zutto tooku e aruiteku natsukashii omokage ; Zutto tooku ga kimi no ie tadoritsuke wa shinai", which is the equivalent of the "whole verse" you mention.

Don´t forget she sings the kajiurago in the bridge.
 
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