Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

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^ Then again this subject will pop up on another threads parallely with this one like it has happened numerous times when this thread got dumped and other threads like "# Kalafina new single", "## Kalafina/YK live" threads come at the top.
 
I have mentioned this before to the old members I am going to repeat again for new members, she has the veins after YK vol 4 and before that she was the chubby Wakana.

Now she is thinner and fitter/sexier in overall look, no matter how the veins will still show since she is thinner but no people had to choose the worst case scenario which is sickness. My slim sister has veins when she yell so is she sick as well?. When you sing 20-30 "soprano-like" songs Lives, sweating is something common and I remember in vol,4 she had many breaks in between and wipe it out plus drink. There I made my point again but obviously you believe what you want to believe. :tea:
 
I think Wakana and the rest aren't crazy to make herself/Wakana continue singing until her voice is totally destroyed if she has a problem, so that she continues singing means that its not as bad as needing her to stop singing atm, and is under control.
I totally agree with you!!
 
To add some evidence on Equal's point about Wakana's weight here are some photos

epithalamion video (where we first found that YK vocalists voices werent just like in the CDs)

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DreamPort 2008

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Kalafina oblivious photo (same period of time)

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current

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Oh and I have heard that when opera sopranos are fat they sing better, I dont know if that's true or not and how fat is affecting the voice.
 
Before

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@runa:^Wakana wouldn't be the first person to "fight" a problem by denial, and, in my opinion, YK, the utahimes and the band sure see that something different is going on with her, but don't say anything because of "Japanese politeness", so to speak - they may find it rude to "meddle" into other people's business like that. Obviously, all of this is just supposition, just me wondering about it.

About sending the letter, I see that letter as I sign of our concern for Wakana's well-being, which can be proved in how many pages we spent trying to make it sound the less rude possible, since it's such a delicate subject. Just like some of us may be seeing the worst case possbile about Wakana, you, runa, and BS are doing the same by thinking that the letter would be interpreted in the worst possible way. Hopefully it wasn't.


@BS: the problems my friends may have with you or someone else are not mine. If you say that I'm biased because of my friends, that's not true because my intention here isn't to defend anyone; all I'm doing is showing my arguments about Wakana's case and pointing out that what was going on smoothly is now almost turned into a fight, because Equal came here and bursted out about how annoying this "bullshit" was, and when his post was decomposed as the nonsense it was, then came you to join him, making this about the "fight" between users instead of the discussion about Wakana it is intended to be.
Also, I never said you said anything about your adoration for YK. It is implied in the way you write. And, as I said above to runa, you are seeing the worst outcome possible to that letter. Continuing your metaphor, I think of the letter (and I hope it was taken) as, let's say, the philosopher suggesting to the surgeon that he could do better if he gave his blade a sharpening. This may have been a bad metaphor by me, but my point is that my intention, and of everyone who sent that letter, was the best possible, because we care about her. We weren't saying in anyway that she can't sing. It really could be misinterpreted as you're saying, but we hope that it wasn't. Who knows.


@Vert: I don't know what they would do, but I wish they would do something, even if it would prove me wrong. I'm concerned not only about her performance, neither would I ever expected anyone to be perfect at anything; but if she is really having any physical condition, I wish she looks for help and do what it needs to get better, be it having a temporary hiatus, be it retiring for good (may God forbid it's anything that bad). Also, I wouldn't really care so much if it was only a change in her tone, but it seems to me that it's indeed something more than that.


@Kawohni: that was what I and others thought at first, around two years ago iirc. I acknowledge that she isn't great on stamina, but it seems that she gets more easily tired with time.
Also, I understand what you say about her tessitura, and I agree with it. i think that Kajiura does put her out of her comfort zone - one example being Materialise live. I don't understand why Kajiura gave her the main (and high!) melody for most of the song, when it's clear that Yuriko can do it with a lot more ease.


@Equal: that may be right about her veins, but I would think a thinner person would sweat less. And to me, it seems that she is sweating more, instead. I don't know, though.


And yes, this discussion will keep going on until anything is said/done about it; until comes an official note about it, all we can do is theorize about it, be it the worst or best theories. But we can keep it a "discussion", without turning it into a "fight" every now and then.
About the pics: I admit, I'm bad at this, but to me it doesn't look like she is that different. Maybe the difference in her hairstyle, from roundish-short to long and straight, helps to create the impression that she is thinner. I'm not saying that it's totally wrong, though.
 
aero.senpai said:
@Kawohni: that was what I and others thought at first, around two years ago iirc. I acknowledge that she isn't great on stamina, but it seems that she gets more easily tired with time.
Also, I understand what you say about her tessitura, and I agree with it. i think that Kajiura does put her out of her comfort zone - one example being Materialise live. I don't understand why Kajiura gave her the main (and high!) melody for most of the song, when it's clear that Yuriko can do it with a lot more ease.

That really bothered me too in Materialise. It's not good to be so far out of your comfortable range, both because the sound is not so nice and it's not good for your voice.

I honestly think Wakana's problem is a buildup. She's been working with FJ and Kalafina both for years, and she sings a ton. And when she does sing, she's pushed past her limits. I think combining that, her age (not that she's old though, of course), and the fact that she is over-worked, over time that will really bring down your stamina. She had very good stamina before, but I think it's been beat down a lot. It's like chiseling away at a rock -- it's strong at first but eventually it will break.
 
I honestly think Wakana's problem is a buildup. She's been working with FJ and Kalafina both for years, and she sings a ton. And when she does sing, she's pushed past her limits. I think combining that, her age (not that she's old though, of course), and the fact that she is over-worked, over time that will really bring down your stamina. She had very good stamina before, but I think it's been beat down a lot. It's like chiseling away at a rock -- it's strong at first but eventually it will break.

Pretty much what I think, but what I fear is that it might have developed into a real physical condition. If it hadn't, and it's only about her stamina, then I just wish they would respect the fact that she is not so resilient to be overworked like she is, and reduce Kala's activities for her sake. But it's about a big record company we are talking about, and I bet they will only care about this if she eventually passes out on stage or something like that.
 
Yo Kawohni, I have a question~

Is vibrato difficult to produce? Wakana used to have a nice vibrato, but now it seems like she barely uses it.
 
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aero.senpai said:
Pretty much what I think, but what I fear is that it might have developed into a real physical condition. If it hadn't, and it's only about her stamina, then I just wish they would respect the fact that she is not so resilient to be overworked like she is, and reduce Kala's activities for her sake. But it's about a big record company we are talking about, and I bet they will only care about this if she eventually passes out on stage or something like that.

That's probably how it will end up, unfortunately. I am dreading that day, if it does happen. But at least if they realize, hey, she needs a break, then maybe she'll finally get one. ;n;



Kowz said:
Yo Kawohni, I have a question~

Is vibrato difficult to produce? Wakana used to have a nice vibrato, but now it seems like she barely uses it.

It really depends, but generally, I do find it tricky. It requires a certain amount of concentration and you really have to know how to make your vocal cords tremble to create the right sound, but you also don't want it to sound fake. The wrong vibrato can change how on-key you are. It takes some voice control, and I think with Wakana's stamina decreasing she's lost some of that control...
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Wow... Things really went off in here! :psst:

You really think Wakana is chubby in those pictures? :fwa: Maybe you just mean she's a bit fatter, but I gotta be honest, she's still really slim!

It really depends, but generally, 吾 為o find it tricky. It requires a certain amount of concentration and you really have to 知now how to make your vocal cords tremble to 造reate the right sound, but you also don't want it to sound fake. The wrong vibrato can 化hange how on-key you are. It takes some voice control, and I think with Wakana's stamina decreasing she's lost some of that 轄ontrol...

I'm assuming that, like a lot of techniques, it's something that becomes natural after you've been doing it for a while?

I've noticed a few bum notes in some of their lives where they've quickly given the note some vibrato to cover it.

:XD:
 
Mwhlr said:
I've noticed a few bum notes in some of their lives where they've quickly given the note some vibrato to cover it.

I hear that too. Its like a singer starts at a wrong note but eventually sounds ok because of vibrato :ohoho:
 
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Mwhlr said:
I'm assuming that, like a lot of techniques, it's something that becomes natural after you've been doing it for a while?

I've noticed a few bum notes in some of their lives where they've quickly given the note some vibrato to cover it.

:XD:

Yeah, vibrato can become second nature once you've mastered it. I'm not at that point yet, for example, but it doesn't take as much effort anymore. It really is a tricky thing because as you said if you use vibrato incorrectly, you'll sound even more off-key. But if you use it correctly, you can definitely hide being off-key instead.
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I don't think Wakana has been practicing her vibrato enough, but she has this stamina issue to work on first anyway. That's most important!

But the best example of it is in Red Moon live's Ongaku. Wakana used her vibrato beautifully in the Kajiurago, and it resounded nicely. But in After Eden live's she didn't quite squeeze it out, so it was a bit botched. She just needs rest and more practice.
 
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