Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

[Equalizer]

Re:

I honestly think Wakana's problem is a buildup. She's been working with FJ and Kalafina both for years, and she sings a ton. And when she does sing, she's pushed past her limits. I think combining that, her age (not that she's old though, of course), and the fact that she is over-worked, over time that will really bring down your stamina. She had very good stamina before, but I think it's been beat down a lot. It's like chiseling away at a rock -- it's strong at first but eventually it will break.

Pretty much what I think, but what I fear is that it might have developed into a real physical condition. If it hadn't, and it's only about her stamina, then I just wish they would respect the fact that she is not so resilient to be overworked like she is, and reduce Kala's activities for her sake. But it's about a big record company we are talking about, and I bet they will only care about this if she eventually passes out on stage or something like that.

She did not do as much live shows as compared to today's demand and trying to be perfect under those condition is not something easy or should I say she might not even mind if she isn't perfect at all at this point.

What I am really against is the fact that people can come out with stories for her. For example, someone sneezes because they are sensitive to dust (her stamina consistency) these people automatically think about "omg she is having influenza". So what if she sneezes a lot of times? you can't claim that she had caught up with those illness. Now the problem starts here because people are so worried/obsessed about it that they begin picking the small little points out from videos and it leads to what I was saying earlier.

Is ok if it's just worrying but what I am seeing now is way beyond that and for e.g because of these people that are looking for supporters about her having Influenza just because of their fears which leads to pride/ego/glory of defending their stand mentality, they would pick out specific little notes/points/part and tell the world it should be sung that way in theory "trying to get her to be perfect in everything she does". Now back to where I was talking about earlier this is all putting a claim of something without evidence to support a motive to form a certain religion in CPM which is unhealthy because it was from an assumption to begin with, while constantly having these negatives, it will affect those people that did not think about all these things, putting them in a suggestion state that are base on theory and worst case scenarios.

I think by now Wakana already knows that there are international fans that spotted her imperfections and making a big fuzz about it, so stop putting more pressure on her okay? but no people still think there is a possibility that she YK her partners Kee&Hik, FBM and the Japanese community knows nothing about the situation, this shows that the people here thinks highly of themselves. Verthand pointed out partially but I bet everything still isn't enough to put this case to rest for those that still enjoy dwelling and picking weaknesses off Wakana. I wouldn't be so agitated if groups are formed base on liking and preferences.

I am again repeating this YK Vol 7 and Vol 9, was the evidence needed to tell us that she is still capable to sing her part, be it to us fans or to Yuki herself but I guess these people are going to pick the little flowers in the snow again and try to prove me wrong. It is too obvious especially during mini Kalafina live events but sit down one second and think about what I've said that she is still fit enough for Yuki to carry on FJ live concerts pleasing most of CPMers until today. Be it new style or a way to maintain her quality etc for specific big moments and events. So just let YK and Wakana handle those issues. However "faith", if you do not have them then stop trying to crush it for members. It is annoying while it creates and form groups of people for an unhealthy argument created from fear, pride and theories. Enough is enough about her being vocally incapable ever again, I hear your theories, you've made your point stop trying to explain and let this case go to rest and I fully not support sending in another letter, once is enough meanwhile having the possibility of her misinterpreting them yet again.

EDIT: side note, @Kawohni and garnetjester I am not talking about you guys.

@aero

We weren't saying in anyway that she can't sing. It really could be misinterpreted as you're saying, but we hope that it wasn't. Who knows.

Your term of "We" doesn't apply to everyone as well as lurkers but is good to know that you didn't say that at least what I have not expected.

 

[CruelAngel]

@Equalizer

I don't have a problem with your belief that there is/has never been anything wrong with Wakana's voice, even if I don't agree with it. If she sounds great by your standards, then fine, no one can force you to believe otherwise.

Your insistence that anyone who says otherwise must have some kind of ulterior motive, though...A religion? Really? That's what it is now? Of course it's just supposition, in the end, no one's claiming to have some kind of diagnosis from a doctor that Wakana has vocal damage (or influenza or whatever). It's just based on an analysis of Wakana's performances. If you think they're nitpicking, so be it. But just because you don't agree with the standards they're using to judge Wakana doesn't make people who say so a part of some dark conspiracy to convince everyone that there's something wrong with Wakana or have some desperate need to prove themselves. If they sincerely believe it and want to provide evidence for that belief, I don't see why anyone should be stopping them, especially in a thread called "Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers".

it will affect those people that did not think about all these things, putting them in a suggestion state that are base on theory and worst case scenarios.

I'm operating on the assumption that people here will use their own hearing and judgement to decide whether or not Wakana's voice is fine and not because oh noes someone on the forums said so. If they people really have no reason to believe Wakana's singing is not 100% fine then someone's words won't change that, especially not in cases when they can listen for themselves. That's what I think anyway. And I think we know that all conclusions made here are ultimately suppositions based on what we get to see and hear, no one has absolute proof that it really is (or isn't) the case.

but no people still think there is a possibility that she YK her partners Kee&Hik, FBM and the Japanese community knows nothing about the situation, this shows that the people here thinks highly of themselves

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here, but I am quite sleep-deprived at the moment and that could be the reason. I don't suppose you would mind clarifying?

I am again repeating this YK Vol 7 and Vol 9, was the evidence needed to tell us that she is still capable to sing her part, be it to us fans or to Yuki herself but I guess these people are going to pick the little flowers in the snow again and try to prove me wrong.

I'm quite certain, that, with or without you, people are going to critique Wakana's performances in these lives. To you, it's evidence that Wakana is fine; personally, I was wincing almost every time Wakana sang in Vol. 9 because I was sure she could do a lot better (I haven't properly listened to Vol. 7). Of course, I can't speak for everyone but I don't listen/watch to these things (or pay for livestreams and concerts) just so I can point what Wakana is doing wrong. I think we here are all fans who would like to enjoy these performances but some of us found things that bothered them. But that's not really my point. The point is, I don't think that most fans think it's fine doesn't mean anyone who doesn't agree is automatically wrong for saying so, especially in this thread. And the day I stop having faith in Yuki and co is they day I stop paying attention to them, I want to enjoy their work; if I criticize them, it's because I honestly think they can do better. This is just me, though, I can't speak for anyone else.

And as long as there are performances for us to listen to assess, this discussion will probably continue; I don't think it will be laid to rest just because you think it should. Again, this is just what I think.

Maybe you feel people who criticise Wakana or say something is off about her voice are wrong, unrealistic, jumping to conclusions, whatever. And that's fine, no one can stop you from saying so. But it baffles me, how you've been suggesting they have sinister motives for saying these thing or insist that people have to stop expressing these opinions. If I've completely misinterpreted your words, I apologise, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I really would appreciate it. But this is the impression I'm getting.

 

[aero.senpai]

@Equal: Alright, so you had enough of this discussion. So why do you have to come here and burst out a lot of nonsense? Do you see that all that you did was set fire on it again? Also, you are addressing things like everyone was saying that she is dead sick, or utterly incapable, when all we're doing here is theorizing what may be happening to her that could explain the changes in her singing. You are making a big drama out of this just because you disagree with it. I think I already addressed most what you said there, but I'll try to summarize what I see here. At the moment:

No one is saying that Wakana is a bad or incapabe singer;

No one is offending the ones who can't hear anything wrong or different with her, or those who disagree;

No one is saying that Wakana, YK and all the people around them is incompetent for not noticing it, neither had "opening their eyes" as a goal to that letter;

No one is gathering followers to a religion that preaches that one of their favorite artists is severely sick.

So, all I see you doing is coming here and creating trouble in a peaceful discussion, and accusing people of being egocentric and such, because of stuff that happened in the past, with people that aren't even here anymore. Because of that, the discussion is almost turning into a fight between people, which is what I think you said you don't wanna see here again. Also:

She did not do as much live shows as compared to today's demand and trying to be perfect under those condition is not something easy or should I say she might not even mind if she isn't perfect at all at this point.

For the first part: she is only Kala member that shows signs of tiredness and difficulty to sing. Keiko and Hikaru are under the same pressure but aren't experiencing nothing similar; for the second: you still didn't realize that no one here is expecting her or anyone else to be perfect. All we think is that she was able to do better, and with more ease, not so long ago.

What I am really against is the fact that people can come out with stories for her. For example, someone sneezes because they are sensitive to dust (her stamina consistency) these people automatically think about "omg she is having influenza". So what if she sneezes a lot of times? you can't claim that she had caught up with those illness. Now the problem starts here because people are so worried/obsessed about it that they begin picking the small little points out from videos and it leads to what I was saying earlier.

Actually, if someone sneezes a lot of times, I don't think anyone could help but think that said person either has caught influenza, or has some chronical hayfever issue, or something else. That's when we suggest they go home, take some med, etc, cause we wish the better for them.

Is ok if it's just worrying but what I am seeing now is way beyond that and for e.g because of these people that are looking for supporters about her having Influenza just because of their fears which leads to pride/ego/glory of defending their stand mentality, they would pick out specific little notes/points/part and tell the world it should be sung that way in theory "trying to get her to be perfect in everything she does". Now back to where I was talking about earlier this is all putting a claim of something without evidence to support a motive to form a certain religion in CPM which is unhealthy because it was from an assumption to begin with, while constantly having these negatives, it will affect those people that did not think about all these things, putting them in a suggestion state that are base on theory and worst case scenarios.

You're still saying the same things, that there is no evidence (just because you interpret them differently), and that people are gathering supporters for their theories because of their egos (which I don't know where you taking from), and that people are picking on Wakana because she isn't perfect, etc. It seems that you don't hear what the others have to say.

I think by now Wakana already knows that there are international fans that spotted her imperfections and making a big fuzz about it, so stop putting more pressure on her okay? but no people still think there is a possibility that she YK her partners Kee&Hik, FBM and the Japanese community knows nothing about the situation, this shows that the people here thinks highly of themselves.

Wakana knows from the very beginning of her carrer that there would people who would pick out her "imperfections", but that is not what we're doing. The next part I already addressed before.

I am again repeating this YK Vol 7 and Vol 9, was the evidence needed to tell us that she is still capable to sing her part

She does. But I think she did was able to do it better and more easily. Wait, I just wrote this up there. This is going nowhere.


@aero

We weren't saying in anyway that she can't sing. It really could be misinterpreted as you're saying, but we hope that it wasn't. Who knows.

Your term of "We" doesn't apply to everyone as well as lurkers but is good to know that you didn't say that at least what I have not expected.

That "we" refers to us who took part in sending the letter only. And sorry, but what you said next I couldn't understand.


Also, I'm with CruelAngel in pretty much everything she said. I guess she said what I wanted to say in a better way lol


EDIT: edited just to correct a quote board that came out wrong.

 

[Equalizer]

^The target was obvious but you had to answer for him in fact he did said vocally damaged several times sick or not sick it was a reference to history and I am not going into that part.

The "We" was suppose to be me expressing in shock that you did not think like the one that is accusing her of vocally damaged state. I believe what I wanted to say Blacky has said it but regarding the lurker you can take a wild guess but I am not gonna try to convince you like what've said before. Also I have replied CruelAngel and not gonna prolong this argument again. Pardon me if its unclear

 

[Verthand]

Fight fight fight! Ban ban ban!

The sound of the clash of opinions is starting to reverberate in the chat and its getting too loud for my sensitive ears.

I propose we all donate for a fund to operate wakana's vocal chords or build a time machine to bring the old wakana from 2007 to the future. Or just buy her some med for influenza, bk it seens wakana herself, yk, the other kala girls and her whole staff lacks the ability to notice she is professional singer and should take ultimate care of her voice in case she gets influenza or a fever and send it together with the next letter.

 

[george1234]

Thread locked for a day (24 hours) to help everyone calm down. Please dont start this topic on other threads now.

 

[Eddie エディ]

reopening the thread, try to keep it civil guyz

 

[Ophelia Arcana]

Wakana will always be my favorite utahime no matter what. Her songs brings me close to heaven that I never know existed. I believe in her and always will. I wish the best for her health and career.

 

[Hime_Wakana]

Wakana will always be my favorite utahime no matter what. Her songs brings me close to heaven that I never know existed. I believe in her and always will. I wish the best for her health and career.

I totally agree with you!! I'll always love Wakana!!!

 

[Kawohni]

Wakana's not my favorite (I don't have a favorite!) but I agree. She is and will always be a wonderful singer, no matter what her stamina is! ;w;

As for her generally sounding different, I listened to a few newer performances and songs to try to analyze what might be going on. It definitely sounds like she's trying a new vocal technique, and hasn't adjusted to it yet. To me it sounds as though she's using her throat more, as opposed to the more breathy quality of a pure head voice. If she masters this, this could help with her stamina -- using a more throaty technique for singing can really be much easier to maintain over long periods of time. I wish her luck because it definitely seems like she's aware of the problem and trying different things to fix it ♥

 

[murrue02]

You people should stop making CPM into a war zone. PLEASE

 

[Cerise]

let's change the topic...^^;
@Kawohni: Wow you seem really knowledgeable about singing and stuff...so would you classify Wakana as a mezzo-sop rather than a soprano? And is there a difference between a 'pop' soprano and a 'classical' soprano or is there only one set definition for what a soprano range is? (also, does the soprano-mezzosoprano-contralto classification even still apply to singers not in the classical genre?)

Also, how do you tell apart Wakana and Yuriko apart from vibrato? Because I find that when Wakana uses more vibrato or when Yuriko uses less vibrato on some occasion, I can't tell them apart again

In fact, how does everyone distinguish FJ vocals when only listening to audio? I'm curious. Does anyone else sometimes get Yuriko-Wakana, Kaori-Keiko, Kaori-Wakana confused like I do?

maybe I'm just really noob lol

 

[Glare]

I can't really put this into words very adequately, but I find Yuriko's voice to be softer/gentler, while Wakana's voice is fuller/rounder, and Kaori's voice is a tad sharper/more piercing. I don't have a problem with Keiko, hers usually stands out if your speakers have great bass.

I can never decide when Maya's singing in Sprinter though. Sometimes I mix her up with Hikaru, other times with Wakana.

 

[george1234]

^ Here's the share of the lyrics viewtopic.php?p=18270#p18270

 

[Glare]

Cool, thanks! :) Any chance you have the one for Aria? :P

 

[george1234]

^ There's no need of one for Aria, Aria is Wakana on chorus (kajiurago) and Hikaru on main vocal, while Keiko, Yuriko and Yuki do the backing vocal on the japanese lyrics http://canta-per-me.net/lyrics/aria/

 

[Glare]

Hm. I clearly see Maya singing in their YK Vol #2 live (was that the one?), especially at the end before Hikaru ends off. My mistake, I guess. :)

 

[george1234]

^ Yes that was on the live version, I was talking about the CD version, in which Maya doesnt sing.

 

[joel_jman]

Re:

In fact, how does everyone distinguish FJ vocals when only listening to audio? I'm curious. Does anyone else sometimes get Yuriko-Wakana, Kaori-Keiko, Kaori-Wakana confused like I do?

I'm also confused with Kaori-Yuriko sometimes. THough I'm more confused with KAORI since she can sing lower than KEIKO and can also reach REMI's voice; Yes, as told by a friend who happen to watch her singing a SH song.

What I do to effectively identify each voices is to listen to their non-Yuki songs. Somehow, I can hear the changes in their singing style and this aids me in identifying which of which in audio-only songs.

Anyways, when I first listened to destination unknown, I thought it was YUUKA singing it until the "hitomi wo korasu"; ofcourse I knew from the start it was HIKARU but the similarity... oh the similarity.

 

[Glare]

Hikaru's singing was the closest to Yuuka when Kalafina covered Nowhere, so yeah I agree, they sound similar. Hikaru has arguably better range though, and stage presence!