Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

[Lorde-Kowz]

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Lol I'm sorry Kowz, it's just, as a Wakana fan, my heart was pierced

Wakana used to be my favorite FJ and Kalafina, so imagine the pain, THE PAIN.

^We did sent it, but it's obvious that the probability of getting an direct answer is null. Coming to think of it, only one letter like that wouldn't have great chances of having effect...maybe if more people joined/sent their own ones, they would consider. Unfortunately, that's pretty much all we can do. Or we could keep sending them such letters until they get tired and give us a reply like "Stop bugging us with this shit" orz XD

We should spam Kajiura's twitter

 

[Hime_Wakana]

We should spam Kajiura's twitter

 

[Moopitin]

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We should spam Kajiura's twitter

Good idea

 

[Kirito]

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In any case, I think Wakana is a fantastic singer because of her particular tone that makes her so sorrowfgul sounding, even if she isn't the best live. Performing live isn't everybody's forte, and I don't think she is horrible at it or something like that either, she just misses notes more often than the others. Might be due to her being tired, I don't know. The mini studio live where they performed Mirai and Hikari furu and Magia quattro gave me hope because she sounded much better there than some other times, maybe she just needs to take better care of her voice (take tips from Hikaru, Wacchan!)

Wakana is a fantastic singer. I remember going to Kalafina's live in Club Nokia, and honestly, Wakana sounded almost exactly in-tune as the studio recordings. Hikaru was the one who got out-of-tune when she started singing sprinter, I believe, and Keiko was fairly decent, but I think she was nervous.

Now, the roles have been switched. Hikaru has more control than ever and Wakana has been losing her's. What I could speculate is that she's forcing herself to sing, because as someone who does regular live performances, you perform better when you're relaxed.

 

[tabete.mio]

Just to be clear, I did sent the letter but there was no reply until now

 

[Mwhlr]

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The argument about her being vocally damaged is lame because there wasn't any solid evidence to begin with, there are many possibilities and people had to choose the worst of it, simply because of maybe ego? pride? or sense of self superiority? because he/she thinks that they learnt music and that makes their argument valid truth.

Firstly, more evidence has been presented FOR the possibility of vocal issues than there has been against it. From the mass of YK live videos on the internet, you can hear Wakana's tone gradually getting sharper and sharper from as far back as 2010. It might not be a conclusive argument, but it's much better than anything you have presented (no offense intended).

I seem to recall your argument being, "If the FJ fanclub are fine with it, nothing is wrong." You think that just because people paid money to be in a fan club, they are an authority of some sort? Do you know all of these people individually? How on Earth do you know what they think?

To me if you are not a successful vocalist in reality your claim would be just some nonsense to me, be it how good you are at guitar or piano you do not determine which key/note/pitch is best for them and for us. Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.

Is this stance similar to one you'd take when you go out for a steak dinner? If I order a medium-rare steak and what you get is a pile of ashes, can I judge the steak? Am I allowed to say it's bad? I'm not a professional chef, but I can still tell whether a steak is good or not. Similarly, having musical knowledge has nothing to do with it.

Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.

Thanks! I will and have been for the past number of months! If you agreed with this yourself, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :p

This thing about her being incapable has been going since god knows when. It has became a word spreading religion and if you do not believe it means you have ear cancer, brain damage and what so ever etc.

Really? A word spreading religion? Recruiting believers? Ear cancer? You're blowing this way out of proportion. This isn't a cult - It's people having a pretty civilized discussion about Wakana (Who I love, by the way). Who exactly is being recruited? The people who noticed a change in Wakana's tone for themselves? You're being a little delusional xD Believe that there is an underground movement against Wakana and that I think you have "ear cancer" if you really want. Sadly, the reality isn't that exciting. :p

Just to be clear, I did sent the letter but there was no reply until now

Do you mean that you DID get a reply or that you still haven't had one?

 

[tabete.mio]

^ There was NO reply

 

[Mwhlr]

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^ There was NO reply

Blegh... I'd have been surprised if there was one.

 

[aero.senpai]

^Exactly, we shouldn't even expect for a reply. Actually, instead of a reply, what I really wanted with that letter was to call for their attention and show that we are noticing that something might be happening to Wakana. Then, hoooopefully, that would push them a little bit towards some action about it. In fact, if they were to reply to our letter, it would be just something like "We appreciate your concerning, but she is fine. There is no need to worry", and if we got that, then it would just make even more stressed about it and I would end up punching anything around me lol (I miss my old tube monitor for these cases ahuesahuesahueas).

Should we send more?

 

[Equalizer]

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The argument about her being vocally damaged is lame because there wasn't any solid evidence to begin with, there are many possibilities and people had to choose the worst of it, simply because of maybe ego? pride? or sense of self superiority? because he/she thinks that they learnt music and that makes their argument valid truth.

Firstly, more evidence has been presented FOR the possibility of vocal issues than there has been against it. From the mass of YK live videos on the internet, you can hear Wakana's tone gradually getting sharper and sharper from as far back as 2010. It might not be a conclusive argument, but it's much better than anything you have presented (no offense intended).

I seem to recall your argument being, "If the FJ fanclub are fine with it, nothing is wrong." You think that just because people paid money to be in a fan club, they are an authority of some sort? Do you know all of these people individually? How on Earth do you know what they think?

I do have sources regarding the fans there and there were no complains till now.

To me if you are not a successful vocalist in reality your claim would be just some nonsense to me, be it how good you are at guitar or piano you do not determine which key/note/pitch is best for them and for us. Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.

Is this stance similar to one you'd take when you go out for a steak dinner? If I order a medium-rare steak and what you get is a pile of ashes, can I judge the steak? Am I allowed to say it's bad? I'm not a professional chef, but I can still tell whether a steak is good or not. Similarly, having musical knowledge has nothing to do with it.

As far as Honking goes, so far nobody seems to have a problem regarding Hikari Furu, obviously you have a fuzzy tongue maybe you should stop asking the others to taste like you.

Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.

Thanks! I will and have been for the past number of months! If you agreed with this yourself, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :p

If you would stop repeating Wakana is vocally damaged, It wouldn't be this annoying. Seriously are you trying to sell your story being this long winded? do me a favor?, try not complaining for a few months, if you couldn't even do that, you're at the same level with you know who?, but it doesn't matter at this point

This thing about her being incapable has been going since god knows when. It has became a word spreading religion and if you do not believe it means you have ear cancer, brain damage and what so ever etc.

Really? A word spreading religion? Recruiting believers? Ear cancer? You're blowing this way out of proportion. This isn't a cult - It's people having a pretty civilized discussion about Wakana (Who I love, by the way). Who exactly is being recruited? The people who noticed a change in Wakana's tone for themselves? You're being a little delusional xD Believe that there is an underground movement against Wakana and that I think you have "ear cancer" if you really want. Sadly, the reality isn't that exciting. :p

No, I am not blowing this out of proportion, I don't blame you since you're just one of those that got influenced by a certain CPM reject and that reject came from Anti Kalafina fans. Sorry, I am a bit lazy on the CPM history lessons. I get your Wakana is honking yea?? maybe you wanna say she sounded like an elephant?, that would sound much better? but please stop repeating yourself we read your story

 

[Black Sword]

I rarely come on here precisely because of this bullshit, but I figure I'll make a few comments before I abandon it again.

First, since mwhlr loves to pretend ignorance, Equal is entirely correct. Before the Great Split, the Leavers issued plenty of insulting statements that included accusations of deafness, ear cancer, etc. They did indeed make concerted efforts to convince everyone that they were the only ones who were right and that the rest of us were fools who should bow down and embrace the "truths" they held to be self-evident. Newbies were seized upon for indoctrination. mwhlr, if you're genuinely ignorant of what happened in the past, my recommendation is that you keep your mouth shut when the history is recounted to you rather than dismiss it as delusional. Or perhaps you can go back to your friends the Leavers for the comforting echo chamber effect of having them embrace you for thinking like them?

Next, tabete.mio and everyone who sent that little letter to Kajiura-sama.... I'd be astonished if that letter got a response. I cannot think of something more likely to inflame a creative person than the implied accusation that they're ignorant of their art. That letter should have never been sent.

 

[aero.senpai]

I rarely come on here precisely because of this bullshit, but I figure I'll make a few comments before I abandon it again.

There is no "bullshit" going on here; it's a decent discussion with everyone sharing their opinions.

the Leavers issued plenty of insulting statements that included accusations of deafness, ear cancer, etc.

"The Leavers" is a well-defined group of people, and I don't remember them being the ones to say such things. Actually, knowing them, I don't think they would "discuss" like that. I don't think you can find where they said such things.

They did indeed make concerted efforts to convince everyone that they were the only ones who were right and that the rest of us were fools who should bow down and embrace the "truths" they held to be self-evident.

I say again, all I see here are people trading opinions on the signs Wakana is showing, and debating wheter or not we should take those as evidence of something being wrong. But, all of a sudden, first comes Equal bursting out a lot of nonsense, and now you, intending to come, comment, and leave, just like you did on vol.#9's thread. Knowing how you always behave about this, to me that can only mean that you don't have any argument to defend your point. In fact, you and Equal condemn the ones that try to push their "truths" on other people, but when everyone is peacefully discussing, what do you do? You two come here like you want to put an end to the discussion, and burst out at people who aren't even here, because of things that happened in the past, and with little to no argument about the discussion itself.

mwhlr, if you're genuinely ignorant of what happened in the past, my recommendation is that you keep your mouth shut when the history is recounted to you rather than dismiss it as delusional.

And who the hell designated you and Equal as the keepers of the truth? History has always two sides at least, but here you are trying to push the "truth" on everyone.

Next, tabete.mio and everyone who sent that little letter to Kajiura-sama.... I'd be astonished if that letter got a response. I cannot think of something more likely to inflame a creative person than the implied accusation that they're ignorant of their art. That letter should have never been sent.

And this just shows (again) how you deify Kajiura and everything she does. To you, everything is just perfect, flawless and there is no discussion about it. Why should we mind what you're saying, if you're obviously biased? You just don't want any discussion about it, because it's all perfect, period.

 

[valeriana runa]

replied to what black sword said,
I agree with not sending any letters,
because you guys are still doing what equal said earlier about implying assumptions. If Wakana were to be so blind for not knowing that she has problems, I doubt Keiko, Hikaru, FBM, and Kajiura sama wouldn't find out what is happening and need the pro pianist, guitarist, or us to tell them. means saying that we are the ones that knows something is wrong which makes what Blacky said about Implied accusation right.

and refer to KOKIA, about if the artist really had these problems, they would announce to us, fans, just like what KOKIA did last year. She mentioned that she is sick and has problem with her voice in her blog. She postponed concerts, she took rest, etc.
We don't need to ask about it, they will take rest if its dissastrous.

so if you still think we are that good to learn about these claims and not the YK family, means you really think that YK and the other members of YK family are incompetant, for not knowing what is happening with Wakana.

 

[george1234]

Okay, I think you all need to calm down on this. ^^; Even if people at Sony or Yuki didn't respond on this letter, I am sure they read it and (possibly) got it into account.

I think Wakana and the rest aren't crazy to make herself/Wakana continue singing until her voice is totally destroyed if she has a problem, so that she continues singing means that its not as bad as needing her to stop singing atm, and is under control.

In any case, even if its the one or the other theory truth, since we cant motivate the ones close to her to do something about it, there's no point to keep this discussion going, since it has now turned like the "Does god really exist or not?" type of discussion, where no sold answer can be found.

That is my opinion, Oh and please be careful of the vocabulary you use because I noticed its becoming more and more aggressive and I don't want this to end up on another fight again, in which case the thread will be locked temporarily.

 

[Black Sword]

aero, I'm flattered you'd go out of your way to dig up my post just to try to undermine my position. You're just as biased as I am, but I will state what I've said before. I'm rarely here in this subforum, but I'm always in chat. A number of them were present with their attitudes and their "criticisms." I praise your admirable loyalty to your friends, but you should not automatically discount what we say just because your friends have problems with us. In fact, I didn't say anything to try to stop discussion. I addressed a piece of CPM's history and did nothing to engage anyone on their opinions. In other words, your accusations toward me at this time are inaccurate.

Also in my post, I never said anything about my well-known regard bordering on worship for Kajiiura-sama. I focused on the letter. I said what I said at the time when that letter was sent: that letter is the equivalent of a philosophy major telling a surgeon he doesn't know how to operate after 1,000 successful surgeries. It's a grievous insult, for the reasons runa-chan outlined, as well as others.

 

[Verthand]

Ok, assuming wakana's voice has been sucking lately, and they did read the letter the fans sent and agree with it, what are they gonna do about it? Operate her and get her new vocal strings? Or kick her out and get new girl?

I think they alredy try their best and practice their songs a lot, and even if her voice changed over the years there isnt much she can do about it. U ppl just discussing the "sex of the angels" like a saying we have here (u know that aero).

To be honest i rly dont care if her voice got a lil more sharp, if she is good at falsettos or w/e, imo u guys listen to kalafina as if u were listening to some opera, its pop music geez. I like how YK composition is great and the sound of keiko voice, but i wouldnt be so strict to them and ask them to be the best singers ever, cause thats not what their objective in 1st place.

 

[Black Sword]

But VEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRT.

Everything is serious business on the internet!

 

[Kawohni]

As far as Wakana's concerned, I do really think it is strain and her being worn out. I don't think she's sick or that her voice is necessarily damaged.

I too am a soprano (singing/music classes for 10 years), and honestly, it's difficult to keep up a certain tone quality; I find that having a soprano voice and using that range to sing takes slightly more effort than other vocal ranges. If you are worn out it becomes very difficult to take proper breaths, and if you can't take proper breaths, you begin to sound very thinned and hoarse, and your voice is thus harder to control.

If Wakana is being pushed outside of her tessitura, which it sounds like, then it's going to be difficult for her all the more. I honestly think her tessitura is in more of the mid range instead of higher notes, but she really does get put on quite high notes a lot.

I think she would benefit from both some rest, and from Kajiura not pushing her so far out of her tessitura. ;n;

 

[Equalizer]

I heard Vol,7 they sound ok and it's after "vol,4" but I bet people are going to pick the little flowers out again and find more faults again damn, I hope they are all superwomen

@Black Sword

But VEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRT.

Everything is serious business on the internet!

 

[Varete]

First of all, can everyone please leave past problems and personal grudges out? I haven't been here for a long time and I really don't care what people that aren't here anymore said (and I dare say newer member don't either).

Now then, this is a discussion, it won't go anywhere if you don't try to understand each other's point of view and stop for a second from beliving only you are right.

In any case, even if its the one or the other theory truth, since we cant motivate the ones close to her to do something about it, there's no point to keep this discussion going, since it has now turned like the "Does god really exist or not?" type of discussion, where no sold answer can be found.

No, if it stops here now it will just start again in another thread sooner or later, because the disscussion's subject will still be here.
Now either Wakana was some medical problems (due to overwork or whatever else) or that she is developing a new singing style or i don't really remember what else has been said previously, it is certain that her voice has changed in the past 1-2 years.
People have reasons to be worried (that vein isn't something normal and it wasn't showing before). There is nothing wrong with people worrying about a singer they like.
If I say her singing isn't as good in Hikai furu as in another song, it is just my personal opinion based on my taste, others may like it.
Accept it, not everyone agrees with you.

since we cant motivate the ones close to her to do something about it

Of course we can't if we don't try, though I do think spamming with the letter is not the best idea.
I truly belive it is impossible for YK not to notice if there's something wrong with Wakana, or she herself and not do anything about it.
I really hope we can disscuss without resorting to attacks or bad laguage.