Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

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Mwhlr said:
Why does it 音ound so 奇trange? ;n; Keiko's singing 芸echnique is odd here, and I see that the band is different, but everything about it is weird to me.
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It's a different band and Keiko is a little wobblier than she is on the other DVDs, but personally, I don't really have a problem with it. It's a very raw performance, which is quite cool in way.
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Oh, I do like it, it was just surprising to me. Usually Keiko sings much more fluidly, though I know 音楽 has a particular sound and timbre to it that makes it difficult to sing (having sung it myself, I know!). So it's slightly confusing to hear her like that, but she's definitely gotten better at singing this!
 
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Mwhlr said:
While in some parts of Hikari furu which are intended to be dramatic, she sounds normal or like her old self.
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There have been a lot of comparisons made of Wakana's tone now and her tone in the past, with plenty of examples given to evidence the change. These have been given to support the argument that Wakana has sustained some sort of vocal damage (I gave a lot of examples and comparisons myself!).

So to those who don't believe this to be the case, it's your turn! :P I'd like you guys to take Hikari Furu, pick the specific points where you believe her to sound as good as she did on the SH and RM records (with timings) and give me some comparisons. :P
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Ehhh well just quickly off the top of my head, some of her long notes, like the 'madeeeee' part of 'tozakaru mirai madeeeeeeeeeee' and the 'shizukanaaaaa' during the climax...I haven't got comparisons, so I can't really say if I liked those parts because her voice sounds like it used to, or if they don't really but I just like how those parts sound anyway regardless... :XD:

I'm really biased,though, so even if Wakana sounds different I probably inadvertently make myself think otherwise and still end up finding something to love in her voice :shy: :ohoho:
 
^ I like Wakana's voice in Hikari Furu too. It sounds more tragic than before and it fits the song very well. But its not perfect, there are some parts that her voice were kinda awkward.

@Mwhlr: Here are the parts that I hear her old voice.

hikari ga yume no you na uta ga
kimi no hoo o nurashi yawaraka na sora
tooku made yuku chiisana kokoro hitotsu dake de
mada furueru tsubasa de

ashita e natsukashii kinou e
kono yubi de musunda chiisana yakusoku o
kanae ni yukou
toki no owari de
kimi ni aeru sono hi wo
mune ni yutaka na negai dake ni natte mo
toozakaru mirai made

watashi ga doko(nimo) inaku natte mo
subete o terasu hikari no naka
itsumo kimi no soba ni iru kara

hakanasugite (sugu ni)
kiete yukisou na sekai
dakedo kimi ga iru sore dake de
mamoritai to omotta

shizuka na inori ni
hitomi wo tozashite
mou sugu saigo no
yasuragi ni todoku kara
mabushii asa

hikari ga
yume no you na uta ga
kimi o terasu



I believe Wakana is just adjusting her singing technic to be able to hit higher notes. Her old voice seems to come from her throat and going to the chest. While her new voice sounds like its coming from above her throat, head voice perhaps?

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Wakana does sound different in Hikari Furu and her previous songs like Ahita no Keshiki and Fairytale. She's still amazing but her voice sounds tired instead of energetic like when she sang Kara no Kyoukai songs.
 
^Sound different yes, tired maybe, you can't deny that they are superbly active whether it be on live concerts, shows or special events. :sparkleguy:

As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't be jumping into conclusion with her being vocally damaged, incapable, or sick.
Sadly, I do not feel any irritation or unpleasant singing in Hikari furu or even YKL vol 9. Like what cerise said, to me is just a change of style nor do I hear any "Unpleasant honk sound" I only hear a sorrowful pitch which was fitting for the atmosphere. We do not judge which pitch or style is best for them in my oppinion.

The argument about her being vocally damaged is lame because there wasn't any solid evidence to begin with, there are many possibilities and people had to choose the worst of it, simply because of maybe ego? pride? or sense of self superiority? because he/she thinks that they learn't music and that makes their argument valid truth. To me if you are not a successful vocalist in reality your claim would be just some nonsense to me, be it how good you are at guitar or piano you do not determine which key/note/pitch is best for them and for us. Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.
 
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^ Oh, come on now. I would rather not believe Wakana has damaged her voice. But I'm going to think that those who say so really find reasons to believe it rather than because they're just showing off their knowledge or fear-mongering for whatever reason. Whether you consider those reasons or valid or not is ultimately your choice. But implying that such people have the kind of bad characteristics you're describing might be going a little too far, don't you think?
 
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This thing about her being incapable has been going since god knows when. It has became a word spreading religion and if you do not believe it means you have ear cancer, brain damage and what so ever etc. If people aren't that persistent in getting believers history wouldn't repeat itself. That said, If these people I've mention does exist I do hope I am wrong about them because it does gets annoyingly repetitive. I rest my case :tea:
 
I just pointed it could be an option because I'm a doctor and I remember from my otolaryngology practice that people sound hoarser when they have vocal chord nodules. But it's obviously just a hypothesis. Wakana is the least consistent of the Kajiura singers lately, but I think we have to take into account that she's also the one with the least stamina and how in an interview she said that she dreaded performing live, so maybe she just tires easily.

For the record, I've never ever said that she sounds like ear cancer or whatever, and I very much love her, it's just weird that she used to be more consistnet before, but their being overworked could be the reason behind her change of voice.

In any case, I think Wakana is a fantastic singer because of her particular tone that makes her so sorrowfgul sounding, even if she isn't the best live. Performing live isn't everybody's forte, and I don't think she is horrible at it or something like that either, she just misses notes more often than the others. Might be due to her being tired, I don't know. The mini studio live where they performed Mirai and Hikari furu and Magia quattro gave me hope because she sounded much better there than some other times, maybe she just needs to take better care of her voice (take tips from Hikaru, Wacchan!)
 
dont you guys think that if we are going to consider Vocal nodules, aside from analyzing her singing voice we should also consider her talking voice(in an interview or promotion). If she is ill, her normal voice should be hoarse but I think its fine. No! its more than fine, its really nice :XD: I love her talking voice :) I dont hear any changes from before and now(in her talking voice)
 
Kowz.... :uh..:

Anw, I would say that they as a team and as individuals are still very much learning and improving. :sohappy:


They have got their own :knife: and their :dote:

Oh yes, I've seen people say something like "K doesn't deserve to be in Kalafina because its only for great sounding voices" and "listen to K's a*** s**, makes me wanta p***"

but so long as we fans keep believing, supporting and trusting Yuki and Kalafina, and be there for them as well as Yuki Kajiura, who cares what others say?
 
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Guys, don't mistake haters for worried fans. If someone says "XYZ doesn't deserve to be in Kalafina cause her voice is terrible/she can't sing/she sucks or whatever, they're expressing their opinion in an an aggressive way or just trolling; but when fans discuss for months along because they sense that somehitng might be wrong with a singer, and the situation just keeps going for years and those fans get more and more worried, and even irritated, that's because they care for that singer. In this particular thread, I have only seen people in the second group since I got involved in this discussion.


Equalizer said:
The argument about her being vocally damaged is lame because there wasn't any solid evidence to begin with, there are many possibilities and people had to choose the worst of it
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I see and hear Wakana strain to sing (and even strain to sing off-key and with half the power she should be able to put out), looking like she is pain while her neck vein pops out everytime more and she sweats like hell. I can tell by her face that she is struggling to sing, and even more when she bends her body to sing a high note that I think she could have sung way more comfortably some years ago. Even in audio only, I can hear her voice weaker and more strained everytime. If all of those doesn't count as evidence, then I don't know what does. I don't know what's happening, but I'm sure that there is something wrong.


Equalizer said:
because of maybe ego? pride? or sense of self superiority? because he/she thinks that they learn't music and that makes their argument valid truth.
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I don't know who you are referring to. As I said, I didn't see this kind of thing here in this thread. Unless you are talking about something else.


Equalizer said:
To me if you are not a successful vocalist in reality your claim would be just some nonsense to me, be it how good you are at guitar or piano you do not determine which key/note/pitch is best for them and for us. Like or dislike , buy or not buy that's it.
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Sorry, but this whole part sounds like nonsense to me. First, you sound like every "succesful" singer would be technically trained and cautious with their voices. There are many "professional" and "succesful" singers out there who know nothing about singing technique and voice care. Second...I don't even know how to reply to this. We don't determine what key/note/pitch is best - right, these things determine themselves. The key determines the note and the note should be on pitch. But I see Wakana strain to not even reach the right note, sometimes, or sing on pitch but sound like she is suffering a lot. And what do you mean by "for them and for us"? The right notes sound equally right for singers and listeners. And a nice tone shouldn't hurt either the singer's throat or the listener's ears.


Equalizer said:
This thing about her being incapable has been going since god knows when. It has became a word spreading religion and if you do not believe it means you have ear cancer, brain damage and what so ever etc. If people aren't that persistent in getting believers history wouldn't repeat itself. That said, If these people I've mention does exist I do hope I am wrong about them because it does gets annoyingly repetitive. I rest my case :tea:
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The discussion has been going on since God knows when because the problem, whatever it is, has been around for pretty much the same time. But then again, we got to tell apart haters and fans. I guess some people do judge Wakana a bad singer, based on old stuff like ephitalamion/Hanamori no Oka live, but then one can have their own opinion and discuss it, or try to convince everyone else that they are "right".


george1234 said:
If they dont like the singers they might as well stop following them.
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That may not be so simple. If one likes Kala, for example, but is not fond one of the singers for whatever reason, they're not gonna stop following their work because of a fraction only. I myself have someone/something I don't like in many of my favorite artists. But then, as I just said, some discuss their opinions, while others try to prove theirselves right.
 
^ So what happened to that letter of worry you (plural) were going to sent to Wakana and Yuki about Wakana, did it reached it targets, and did you got any answers? If we dont know this any other discussion over this issue is pointless at this point.
 
^We did sent it, but it's obvious that the probability of getting an direct answer is null. Coming to think of it, only one letter like that wouldn't have great chances of having effect...maybe if more people joined/sent their own ones, they would consider. Unfortunately, that's pretty much all we can do. Or we could keep sending them such letters until they get tired and give us a reply like "Stop bugging us with this shit" orz XD
 
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