Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

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^ yeah...singing well whilst you are dancing is hard...i know at least in kpop if they are dancing, they'll usually lip-sync rather than sing and dance at the same time because they will sound crappy...but since Kajiura songs seem to be really hard to sing in the first place, maybe the girls should jump around less...
 
I think it's a tricky balance, because if they just stand around they won't be capable of interacting with the crowd as much as they do in songs like Ongaku and Mata Kaze ga Tsuyoku Natta, and that's a great point when you go to a concert., but it requires a lot of stamina in order to not go out of breath when you sprint around. I think it's good that they focus on singing during most of their concert but then get hyper during the upbeat tunes :dote:
 
^ I think that's why they seem do better on the slower songs and ballads because they don't move around as much and can focus more on the singing...

Still, you can still interact with the crowd even if you're not dancing around though, like in sprinter live in Red Moon when they were singing the "kimi ni aitai, kimi ga koishii, kimi ni aitai, kimi ga itoshii..." part and pointing at the audience as they sang it :shy: :shy: :shy:

They were looking at the audience so lovingly that time :nosebleed: :nosebleed:
 
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Yuki88 said:
^ I heard about 4-octaves as well, except she said her voice doesn't sound good :XD:
Oh, then Yuki/Fion is similar to me. ^^
According to my choir teacher, I have 4.5-octaves, but my high range (high G note and above) doesn't sound good. xD




Yuki88 said:
since alto lacks of people :TdT:
I know right. So many soprano, but so few alto.... =(
I am always placed as an alto to help the alto, but I really want to train my high range T_T
 
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crystalpink said:
According to my choir teacher, I have 4.5-octaves, but my high range (high G note and above) doesn't sound good. xD

Yuki88 said:
since alto lacks of people :TdT:
I know right. So many soprano, but so few alto.... =(
I am always placed as an alto to help the alto, but I really want to train my high range T_T

Good to have so many choristers here... my step-daughter is one of those people who has been in several choirs at once over the last 7 years or so (a few samples at http://www.youtube.com/user/GuildMistress ). I wish more solo singers had a stronger choir background.
 
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crystalpink said:
Yuki88 said:
^ I heard about 4-octaves as well, except she said her voice doesn't sound good :XD:
Oh, then Yuki/Fion is similar to me. ^^
According to my choir teacher, I have 4.5-octaves, but my high range (high G note and above) doesn't sound good. xD




Yuki88 said:
since alto lacks of people :TdT:
I know right. So many soprano, but so few alto.... =(
I am always placed as an alto to help the alto, but I really want to train my high range T_T


Wow that's an amazing range! :dote: You should let us hear you sing some time :stars:
 
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Cerise said:
http://www.kawaii-girl.jp/feature/12336?lang=en

The article said:
When they sing together, the beauty of the uniqueness of each member is highlighted by each other. Wakana sings in soprano, Keiko in alto, Hikaru in tenor.

As much as I liked the glowing review of their performance, this made me laugh...isn't tenor in the guys' range? :XD:

Very occasionally you'll get females singing as tenors.
 
I would've thought Keiko would be more of a tenor than Hikaru, though :XD:
 
Sorry for asking so many questions all the time (me being rather musically ignorant and all), but are there divisions within soprano range between higher and lower-ranged singers?

Using Yuriko and Wakana as an example, since they're both sopranos, but Yuriko can obviously go even higher, is there like a 'super' soprano classification to distinguish her from a lower soprano?

I tried researching this on Wikipedia (and ended up getting slightly more confused), and according to wiki, there are further classifications of sopranos:

Coloratura soprano
Lyric coloratura soprano—A very agile light voice with a high upper extension, capable of fast vocal coloratura. Light coloraturas have a range of approximately middle C (C4) to "high F" (F6) with some coloratura sopranos being able to sing somewhat higher or lower.

Dramatic coloratura soprano—A coloratura soprano with great flexibility in high-lying velocity passages, yet with great sustaining power comparable to that of a full spinto or dramatic soprano. Dramatic coloraturas have a range of approximately "low B" (B3) to "high F" (F6) with some coloratura sopranos being able to sing somewhat higher or lower.

Soubrette
In classical music and opera, the term soubrette refers to both a voice type and a particular type of opera role. A soubrette voice is light with a bright, sweet timbre, a tessitura in the mid-range, and with no extensive coloratura. The soubrette voice is not a weak voice for it must carry over an orchestra without a microphone like all voices in opera. The voice however has a lighter vocal weight than other soprano voices with a brighter timbre. Many young singers start out as soubrettes but as they grow older and the voice matures more physically they may be reclassified as another voice type, usually either a light lyric soprano, a lyric coloratura soprano, or a coloratura mezzo-soprano. Rarely does a singer remain a soubrette throughout their entire career. A soubrette's range extends approximately from middle C (C4) to "high D" (D6). The tessitura of the soubrette tends to lie a bit lower than the lyric soprano and spinto soprano.

Lyric soprano
A warm voice with a bright, full timbre, which can be heard over a big orchestra. It generally has a higher tessitura than a soubrette and usually plays ingenues and other sympathetic characters in opera. Lyric sopranos have a range from approximately middle C (C4) to "high D" (D6).There is a tendency to divide lyric sopranos into two groups:

Light lyric soprano—A light-lyric soprano has a bigger voice than a soubrette but still possesses a youthful quality.
Full lyric soprano —A full-lyric soprano has a more mature sound than a light-lyric soprano and can be heard over a bigger orchestra.

Spinto soprano
Also lirico-spinto, Italian for "pushed lyric". This voice has the brightness and height of a lyric soprano, but can be "pushed" to dramatic climaxes without strain, and may have a somewhat darker timbre. Spinto sopranos have a range from approximately middle C (C4) to "high D" (D6).

Dramatic soprano
A dramatic soprano (or soprano robusto) has a powerful, rich, emotive voice that can sing over a full orchestra. Usually (but not always) this voice has a lower tessitura than other sopranos, and a darker timbre. Dramatic sopranos have a range from approximately middle C (C4) to "high D" (D6).

Some dramatic sopranos, known as Wagnerian sopranos, have a very big voice that can assert itself over an exceptionally large orchestra (over eighty pieces). These voices are substantial and very powerful and ideally even throughout the registers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soprano

So which category would Yuki’s soprano singers be classified as? Just based on the descriptions (and my imagination) I thought maybe:

Eri Itoh: coloratura/lyric/or soubrette?
Yuriko same as Eri Itoh…
Tomaru Hanae: soubrette or lyric? Spinto?
Yuri Kasahara: dramatic? Or maybe coloratura (dramatic)?
Wakana: soubrette or lyric?

But then I thought Wakana didn’t really fit here because the way she sings is quite different to these hardcore sopranos, but as I read some more articles I started to think that this category fit her more:

Lyric mezzo-soprano
The Lyric mezzo-soprano has a range from approximately the G below middle C (G3) to the B two octaves above middle C (B5). This voice has a very smooth, sensitive and at times lachrymose quality. Lyric mezzo-sopranos do not have the vocal agility of the coloratura mezzo-soprano or the size of the dramatic mezzo-soprano. The lyric mezzo-soprano is ideal for most trouser roles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzo-soprano

I was probably influenced by the bit that said it was smooth and had a ‘lachrymose quality’ (cos Wakana always sounds tragic)

Then I wondered what type of mezzo-soprano Hikaru and Kaori etc. would be grouped as…

And then I started wondering if this classification is actually applicable to the likes of Wakana, Hikaru and Kaori because this is like, opera singing stuff and they (unlike Yuriko and Eri Itoh and Tomaru Hanae) don’t do the full-blown operatic vocals…(and of course I didn’t really regard the scientific pitch range that was given, e.g. when it said it was from a middle C to C6 or something because we don’t actually know the physical ranges of Yuki’s vocalists)

So yeah…I guess I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if this classification method if applicable (even to the non-opera singers i.e. Hikaru and co.), and if so, which classification the singers belong to…

Or, for that matter, if anyone knows the actual physical scientific ranges of the singers (like how the article describes a soprano as typically having a range from middle C, or C4, to high C (two octaves above – C6)…
 
I really don't know about Kaori and Hikaru, though. But Keiko is obviously Dramatic Contralto because the description fits her 100%.

Dramatic contralto
The dramatic is the deepest, darkest, and heaviest contralto voice, usually having a heavier tone and more power than the others. Singers in this class, like the coloratura contraltos, are rare. They typically sing in a range from the G below middle C (G3) to the A above middle C (A4).

But maybe Kaori is Coloratura Mezzosoprano.
A coloratura mezzo-soprano has a warm lower register and an agile high register. The roles they sing often demand not only the use of the lower register but also leaps into the upper tessitura with highly ornamented, rapid passages. They have a range from approximately the G below middle C (G3) to the B two octaves above middle C (B5). Some coloratura mezzo-sopranos can sing up to high C (C6) or high D (D6), but this is very rare.[1] What distinguishes these voices from being called sopranos is their extension into the lower register and warmer vocal quality. Although coloratura mezzo-sopranos have impressive and at times thrilling high notes, they are most comfortable singing in the middle of their range, rather than the top
The last line fits Kaori well.

But, aren't this terms should be applied only to the operatic voice?
 
I think the term soprano, mezzosoprano, contralto can be used for any singer, since they refer to range, but the other terms like "coloratura" "soubriette" and such might apply only to opera singers, since a lot of them allude to vocal techniques and terms that apply in that field.
 
Yup, I mean the term like coloratura, dramatic, lirical, etc...
 
Thanks for all the information Cerise! This is an interesting thing to analyze~ :ayashii:

Here's my take on all the singers:

Wakana: lyric mezzo-soprano.
Keiko: dramatic contralto.
Hikaru: dramatic contralto. (She can reach low notes similar to Keiko and also has a lot of power. The only difference is that she's more comfortable singing higher.)
Kaori: dramatic mezzo-soprano. ("A voice that is broader and more powerful than the lyric and coloratura mezzo-sopranos" seems to fit her well. She seems to be able to reach higher notes with power, as opposed to Wakana who has to slip into falsetto.)
Yuriko: lyric coloratura soprano. (She seems to have a light and agile voice like the description, plus it seems like this type of soprano has the highest range.)
Eri Ito: soubrette. (Since she's sung some Broadway songs and such, her voice seems to be relatively powerful, but it has a light timbre to it like the description.)
Hanae Tomaru: light lyric soprano. (Her voice is similar to Eri, but a bit more mature-sounding to me. My friend once noticed that Hanae's voice sounds a bit like a boy soprano, although I don't know what category that would fit in.)
Yuri Kasahara: dramatic soprano. (She can sing relatively low too, like in Nux Walpurgis, so the "lower tessitura" fits too.)

Yuuka's the only one I can't figure out. There isn't much proof of how high or low her range is, so I'm not sure if she'd be a soprano or mezzo-soprano... :confu:
 
I think Yuuka is a mezzosoprano, most of her high notes are falsetto.

I'd say Wakana is a soprano though, her high notes in Materialise, even though in falsetto, are out of the range of a mezzosoprano.
 
I have quite the same opinions as Ninetales for the FJ girls except Hikaru. I still think that she's in the mezzosoprano type. (for Wakana, if we consider in this operatic-type aspect, she is still in the mezzosoprano or maybe just soubrette) I agree with Hanae as well, but I have different opinions for the others.

I'm quite sure that Yuri is a dramatic coloratura sopranos for the capability to dealing with 'high-lying velocity passage' (not sure for Kajiura's songs but I bet that she need it for her main role in Magic Flute...lol.)

From http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary ... atura.html

Coloratura
A soprano who sings elaborate ornamentation containing improvised or written out running passages and trills. This style was common in the 18th and 19th centuries in such arias as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "The Magic Flute" Queen of the Night. These arias usually require a soprano with an extended high range.
As for Eri and Yuriko, I guess for Spinto soprano. Their voices isn't powerful&emotive enough to be in the dramatic type but in some songs, they can handle the dramatic climax in the song quite well. (while I think that it's lack in Hanae's singing. (For example, we feel that her voice is too calm&smooth for energetic track like the Berserker's theme in F/0) Hanae is purely in the lirical type soprano.)

How about Emily Bindinger..? She is one who sang many songs for Yuki's as well.. I think she's a kind of dramatic mezzosoprano.
 
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