Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

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^ Well, keep in mind that TTB has very high notes - way past high C - so I doubt that it was in Wakana's range to use chest voice for them. Both Kizuato and Kimi ga are relatively low songs in comparison, which probably made it much easier for Wakana to use chest voice.
 
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ninetales said:
^ Well, keep in mind that TTB has very high notes - way past high C - so I doubt that it was in Wakana's range to use chest voice for them. Both Kizuato and Kimi ga are relatively low songs in comparison, which probably made it much easier for Wakana to use chest voice.
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Well, I don't want to sound stupid here but did Wakana use chest-voice in "Kyrie" and "Serenato"?
 
^ I'm actually not sure...it's tough to tell with Wakana. Sorry!

Aside from the highness of the notes in TTB, it also might have to do with the way the song's written. Kyrie and Serenato have longer-held notes from what I can remember, while TTB has shorter, almost "staccato" notes sometimes in the choruses. There could be a lot of reasons...but I do agree that Wakana's performance in TTB is a little overwhelming at times.
 
Huh, about TTB. Did you guys notice in that Lisani special or something like that that she could barely sing it, even in studio?
 
^ to me it felt like she was exerting herself way too much in the studio... :uh..:
 
^Yes, I got the same impression. She really exerted herself there. To make things worse, the next take had Kajiura telling her to not overdo herself :uh..:
 
:omg: Oh my god lol I thought Wakana was using her chest voice in TTB and manten... OTZ *gives up*

/reads wiki article + explanations

... :@_@: Okay, so if I'm correct, head voice 'resonates more' and sounds er...'stronger' than falsetto? (Then...in say, for example, MATERIALISE live, was Wakana using a falsetto or her head voice?) :confu:

Okay...after thinking about it...I think maybe Wakana's chest voice e.g. in Mizu no and Kimi ga etc. sounds 'fuller' and 'richer', than her head voice, which sounds 'thinner'? :confu:

Omg this is so mindscrewy lol...I think I can tell more easily when the other girls, i.e. Keiko, Hikaru, Kaori etc. switch between chest voice and head voice because it sounds different in terms of the texture...

Wait...does Yuuka also sing with a head voice? :confu: :desksweat:

Okay, so going back to Wakana (lol this music stuff is hard...I admire all those professionals even more now XD) her chest voice is like her voice in Kizuato, Kimi ga, Mizu no etc., her head voice is like TTB, manten, and her falsetto would be like 'paradise regained', 'where the lights are' ? :confu:

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Well, keep in mind that TTB has very high notes - way past high C - so I doubt that it was in Wakana's range to use chest voice for them.
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:omgz: Kajiura's songs are beautiful but I wonder if they're sometimes hell to sing... :ghost:

And the Lisani video - yes, I saw the DREADED NECK VEIN :omg: :omg: :omg: :vortex: :vortex: :vortex: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well still, I don't know if the snippet of TTB live in that video was Studio Magicked or not, but if it wasn't, Wakana did a good job! :touched: (if it was, well...I'm sure you did your best anyway, Wacchan! :touched:)

Somehow now...I'm beginning to be a bit afraid of seeing manten live...especially that high bit in the middle "manten no chorus + those two mystery words" :blood: :cry:
 
I don't think they can autotune Wakana and still have her sound so natural though. It's only used for small mistakes or in electronic music where it's really obvious. But generally speaking, I don't think it's possible to autotune a whole song without it beingglaringly obvious. She was off tune in the LisAni video, so they probably had her do a different take until she got it right. Since they have so many harmonies in Kalafina (and especially in TTB where Hikaru harmonizes a lot as well) they have to be careful with the pitch or everything will be thrown off.

So yeah, my guess is that they had her re do it giving her advice to not strain herself and sound more natural until she was able to get it right.
 
^ LisAni was a live concert though so no way they made here-do it. Probably small fixes but nothing really particular. At least from LisAni live 2010 there were those who sounded worse then the girls lol.
 
Straying a bit from the conversation about LisAni live (haven't watched that one. Could anyone please give me a link?), but afaik chest voice is used to make your voice deeper and lower (like what Keiko did in most songs) while head voice is to make your voice higher, but still manage to keep your voice's power (like what Kaori did in Hanamori no Oka, 'karenai namida no umi kara', and for me, Wakana did it all the time.) while falsetto makes your voice reach higher but has less power and get smoother?
 
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ritardando said:
Straying a bit from the conversation about LisAni live (haven't watched that one. Could anyone please give me a link?), but afaik chest voice is used to make your voice deeper and lower (like what Keiko did in most songs) while head voice is to make your voice higher, but still manage to keep your voice's power (like what Kaori did in Hanamori no Oka, 'karenai namida no umi kara', and for me, Wakana did it all the time.) while falsetto makes your voice reach higher but has less power and get smoother?
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You can search it on youtube or watch it here on Vimeo:

Part 1: http://vimeo.com/41958747
Part 2: http://vimeo.com/41958748
Part 3: http://vimeo.com/41958749
Part 4: http://vimeo.com/41958750
 
@dandy: Oh, yes, I think that's what I was trying to understand (except you better worded it haha)

Going back to the LisAni vid, I actually think Wakana sounded better singing TTB during their live than in the recording studio (disregarding how tired/strained she looked in both); I think she went off on the "sono kanata he tozasareteku" bit in the studio but she seemed to be mostly okay during the live, I didn't hear anything horribly off-tune (although I wouldn't call my ears trustworthy in terms of picking up these things, but it seemed acceptable to me) :XD:

I think I can kind of hear how TTB was a lot of head-voice for Wakana... :ayashii: but manten for some reason still gives me a 'chest-voice' impression...
 
Cerise said:
Going back to the LisAni vid, I actually think Wakana sounded better singing TTB during their live than in the recording studio (disregarding how tired/strained she looked in both); I think she went off on the "sono kanata he tozasareteku" bit in the studio but she seemed to be mostly okay during the live, I didn't hear anything horribly off-tune (although I wouldn't call my ears trustworthy in terms of picking up these things, but it seemed acceptable to me) :XD:
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I agree...but they all sounded a liiitle off in the studio to me...just Wakana was the most :cry:
 
Ophelia, thanks for the link!

Agreed with Cerise that Wakana sounded slightly better in their live than their recording version. Maybe that's because she can bend and move her body a bit, to force herself reach higher notes (hahaha, don't know why, I can reach higher notes when I make a body movement like Wakana's, slightly bending and so on).
 
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ritardando said:
(hahaha, don't know why, I can reach higher notes when I make a body movement like Wakana's, slightly bending and so on).
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lol same :XD:
I also started making hand movements and stuff when I sing...probably from watching Kalafina/FJ lives :idol:
 
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Ophelia Arcana said:
Well, I don't want to sound stupid here but did Wakana use chest-voice in "Kyrie" and "Serenato"?
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I think that in Kyrie, she used both head&chest voice but in Serenato, it's mainly chest voice (with head voice for some high notes.)

Cerise and Ritardando got the right keys for the voice discrimination: the power, fullness, richness, roughness, resonance are more in stamina voice>chest voice>head voice>falsetto.

I think that Yuuka is mainly chest voice singer with head voice in some high parts. For me, it's very hard to tell the difference between chest&head voice for nasal voice singers like Yuuka and Hikaru because even their chest voice is already as sharp as head voice of others... :uh..:

As for Keiko, I think that her usual voice for chorus and some low part is her stamina voice and she uses stamina/chest voice for her solo part (upto the range of the songs, maybe mostly stamina for Kalafina songs). I guess that her head voice is may be what we usually refer as her 'Ito-Kubo' voice and Hikaru's 'Magia&D.U.' voice should be her stamina voice.
 
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Kagaribi no Hanabira said:
Ophelia Arcana said:
Well, I don't want to sound stupid here but did Wakana use chest-voice in "Kyrie" and "Serenato"?
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I think that in Kyrie, she used both head&chest voice but in Serenato, it's mainly chest voice (with head voice for some high notes.)

Cerise and Ritardando got the right keys for the voice discrimination: the power, fullness, richness, roughness, resonance are more in stamina voice>chest voice>head voice>falsetto.

I think that Yuuka is mainly chest voice singer with head voice in some high parts. For me, it's very hard to tell the difference between chest&head voice for nasal voice singers like Yuuka and Hikaru because even their chest voice is already as sharp as head voice of others... :uh..:

As for Keiko, I think that her usual voice for chorus and some low part is her stamina voice and she uses stamina/chest voice for her solo part (upto the range of the songs, maybe mostly stamina for Kalafina songs). I guess that her head voice is may be what we usually refer as her 'Ito-Kubo' voice and Hikaru's 'Magia&D.U.' voice should be her stamina voice.
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"Ito-Kubo"?
 
From what I am understanding by "head voice" from the comments and explanations here, I don't recall Keiko using it in Itokubo, much to the contrary.
 
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