Hime_Wakana
I have reached Yuki nirvana
It coud be ok even with these words ^^
It coud be ok even with these words ^^
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Ophelia Arcana
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Of course, Martin. We must not give the impression that we're complaining about Wakana instead of showing our concern for her. Use proper and polite words will do. Just say it's from our observation during live concerts that we noticed Wakana is straining herself, her expression, sweaty face and the way she draw her breath.
Overall, let's just say her performance is no problem only that as fans, we noticed her exhaustion and we would like Wakana to get better so she can continue to perform her best for Kalafina and FictionJunction. It's true we like every singer to be at their best but their health is important too in this case.
Martin said:That sounds great so far. I'm perfectly okay with providing my full name and e-mail address as well, FWIW, if it adds credibility and a personal aspect.
The only thing I can think of in terms of altering phrasing or adding anything would be "we are not questioning her talent or the hard work she puts into her performances; we are simply concerned that she has been recently showing signs of tiredness"? It's just a constant nagging feeling in the back of my mind that they feel the weight of expectation from fans, so this message might be a good opportunity to dispel that.
Now I'm being paranoid and over-thinking things!
Of course, Martin. We must not give the impression that we're complaining about Wakana instead of showing our concern for her. Use proper and polite words will do. Just say it's from our observation during live concerts that we noticed Wakana is straining herself, her expression, sweaty face and the way she draw her breath.
Overall, let's just say her performance is no problem only that as fans, we noticed her exhaustion and we would like Wakana to get better so she can continue to perform her best for Kalafina and FictionJunction. It's true we like every singer to be at their best but their health is important too in this case.
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ninetales
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^ I agree with everything so far! But are we absolutely sure that we should write in English? Kajiura-sensei might understand some of it, but there might be nuances that she misses because she's not completely fluent. I know I've had that problem with Korechan a few times.
Maybe we should wait until Keiri or Yuki.n is available to translate it into Japanese? I don't want to tackle it myself, because I don't think I'm good enough yet...
Maybe we should wait until Keiri or Yuki.n is available to translate it into Japanese? I don't want to tackle it myself, because I don't think I'm good enough yet...
Hime_Wakana
I have reached Yuki nirvana
If you want to translate in Japanese , I can ask to my Japanese friend :)
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aero.senpai
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Just like me! lol I tend to over-think things like this, too (I think one could tell by reading my posts here XD). I am very concerned about making it clear that we are not judging the quality of her performance at all.
So, the text now is like "Ms. Kajiura, as fans of all your works and singers, we are here to express our concern regarding Ms. Wakana's health, for we have noticed signs of straining in her expression, sweaty face and the way she draw her breath during live concerts, especially the recent After Eden live concert that's available in DVD/BD. Please note that we are concerned about the fact that she seems to be having difficulties to sing, and not questioning her talent or the hard work she puts into her performances; we are simply concerned that she has been recently showing signs of tiredness" (lol, I just keep copying and pasting). And this thing is getting bigger. I think we should stop for now XD
Well, I think we are done with the text, so now we can choose if we send in English or Japanese - or both...? Would that be any advantage?
Martin said:The only thing I can think of in terms of altering phrasing or adding anything would be "we are not questioning her talent or the hard work she puts into her performances; we are simply concerned that she has been recently showing signs of tiredness"? It's just a constant nagging feeling in the back of my mind that they feel the weight of expectation from fans, so this message might be a good opportunity to dispel that.
Now I'm being paranoid and over-thinking things!
Just like me! lol I tend to over-think things like this, too (I think one could tell by reading my posts here XD). I am very concerned about making it clear that we are not judging the quality of her performance at all.
So, the text now is like "Ms. Kajiura, as fans of all your works and singers, we are here to express our concern regarding Ms. Wakana's health, for we have noticed signs of straining in her expression, sweaty face and the way she draw her breath during live concerts, especially the recent After Eden live concert that's available in DVD/BD. Please note that we are concerned about the fact that she seems to be having difficulties to sing, and not questioning her talent or the hard work she puts into her performances; we are simply concerned that she has been recently showing signs of tiredness" (lol, I just keep copying and pasting). And this thing is getting bigger. I think we should stop for now XD
Well, I think we are done with the text, so now we can choose if we send in English or Japanese - or both...? Would that be any advantage?
Hime_Wakana
I have reached Yuki nirvana
I think than even if we were writing in English , Yuki-san could translate the message!
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Ophelia Arcana
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+1.
HimeWakana said:
+1.
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aero.senpai
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Hmm, dunno...if she uses Google Translate, we are taking a serious risk here 
Hime_Wakana
I have reached Yuki nirvana
ahahahahHmm, dunno...if she uses Google Translate, we are taking a serious risk here
I think that she knows the basics of the English or she'll ask someone to translate ^^
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garnetjester
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But I think it's a valid point that the nuances of the language will be lost if it's google translated or poorly understood, I'd say it's better if it's in japanese imo
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Eei
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I don't know if this has been discussed.
Pardon for the redundancy if someone has already talked about this, but I have to ask: why is Yuriko's voice over-the-top when it comes to vibrato? Listening to Himitsu and comparing it to Canta Per Me, it was a BIG change. I was really surprised when I was informed that those two songs were sung by the same person.
I don't know if this is her "signature voice" or something, but I'm not very fond of it since it's making her sound like her voice is really imbalanced -- "shaky", like there's not much control.
I don't mean to offend any Yuriko Kaida fans, I'm just curious.
Pardon for the redundancy if someone has already talked about this, but I have to ask: why is Yuriko's voice over-the-top when it comes to vibrato? Listening to Himitsu and comparing it to Canta Per Me, it was a BIG change. I was really surprised when I was informed that those two songs were sung by the same person.
I don't know if this is her "signature voice" or something, but I'm not very fond of it since it's making her sound like her voice is really imbalanced -- "shaky", like there's not much control.
I don't mean to offend any Yuriko Kaida fans, I'm just curious.
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ZoaKaizer
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himewakana, dont u have some friends sho speak japanese ?
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garnetjester
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@Eei: That's just her personal style, I guess. I prefer when she doesn't overdo it, because her vibrato is really beautiful but I agree with you, it can make her voice sound shaky, especially in her solo works. My guess is that maybe when she was recording Canta Per Me Kajiura sensei asked her to lay off the vibrato a bit because of the feeling of the song, and in other tracks she might have sung more according to her personal style.
I really like her rendition of Here we Stand in the Morning Dew and it doesn't have a ton of vibrato in it either, so I'm thinking it could depend on the mood of the song and whether someone at the recording studio told her to tone it down or not. I know this because I've been in recording studios myself, and they really control the smallest details to make sure everything is as good as possible, so they'll tell you if you need to do it softer or breath differently etc.
I really like her rendition of Here we Stand in the Morning Dew and it doesn't have a ton of vibrato in it either, so I'm thinking it could depend on the mood of the song and whether someone at the recording studio told her to tone it down or not. I know this because I've been in recording studios myself, and they really control the smallest details to make sure everything is as good as possible, so they'll tell you if you need to do it softer or breath differently etc.
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Kagaribi no Hanabira
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@Eei I think that Vibrato is a technique that has both pros&cons. It's a singing technique that can give a unique feeling for the song and it can make the voice sound shaky as well. (And I've seen some fans even considering vibrato as a weak way of singing.)
IMHO, I have my own speculation about vibrato. I notice that the ones in Yuki fam. who often uses vibrato in pop songs are Yuuka, Yuriko, and Hikaru, and all of them have quite 'sharper' voices comparing with others. Some other singers who are good at vibrato that I know are also a kind of sharp-voiced singer as well.
So my speculation is for sharp-voiced singer, their voices may sound more preferable when they use vibrato instead of legato. I found that when some of these sharp-voiced singers use legato, it tends to sound like they're screaming (ex. Hikaru) because their voice is sharper than usual. So using vibrato will make the hold the long note in smoother way.. (Just my own opinion..^__^..and I think it doesn't apply to Yuriko who is good at all singing style.)
IMHO, I have my own speculation about vibrato. I notice that the ones in Yuki fam. who often uses vibrato in pop songs are Yuuka, Yuriko, and Hikaru, and all of them have quite 'sharper' voices comparing with others. Some other singers who are good at vibrato that I know are also a kind of sharp-voiced singer as well.
So my speculation is for sharp-voiced singer, their voices may sound more preferable when they use vibrato instead of legato. I found that when some of these sharp-voiced singers use legato, it tends to sound like they're screaming (ex. Hikaru) because their voice is sharper than usual. So using vibrato will make the hold the long note in smoother way.. (Just my own opinion..^__^..and I think it doesn't apply to Yuriko who is good at all singing style.)
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Eei
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@garnetjester:I remember one of my choir conductors saying that it's not advisable for a singer to consistently do a vibrato if you're singing in harmony with other voices. The main reason there's a "blending" is because each singer is singing his/her part correctly note per note. Now, if you're vibrating your voice, then you're constantly changing your pitch which will lead to a tendency that the whole group will sound off-tune or that you will stick out like a sore thumb since you didn't sing the notes consistently as you're suppose to sing it.
I'm just voicing some of the things I know from being a choir member.
I think you're right about vibrato being used depending on the mood of the song. Since Yuriko is not sticking out nor sounds off-tune, then I guess Yuki did give her permission to sing freely and in a manner that she's most comfortable in.
And now, listening to Silent Moon, I did hear MUCH less vibrato from Yuriko.
I haven't heard Here we Stand in the Morning Dew but I'll try to listen to it and check for comparison.
@Kagaribi no Hanabira: Almost all instruments (including voice) can do a vibrato. It's called a "vibrato" because of the continuous pulsating change of pitch causes one to hear it as if the sound is "vibrating."
As for Kajiura-san's vocalists, Yuriko uses it all the time. Kaori uses it while singing and maintaining a longer note. As for the others, I can hear them do a vibrato, but not as often and not as noticable as Yuriko's and Kaori's.
To be honest, I'm kinda lost at your speculation because my knowledge of music is limited. I know what legato is, but from what you're explaining, I think we have different definitions for that term. As for the sharp-voiced, are you referring to singers with naturally high vocal registers? Is that what you're pertaining? Or are you talking about using head tone vs. chest tone? I'm really sorry...
@garnetjester:I remember one of my choir conductors saying that it's not advisable for a singer to consistently do a vibrato if you're singing in harmony with other voices. The main reason there's a "blending" is because each singer is singing his/her part correctly note per note. Now, if you're vibrating your voice, then you're constantly changing your pitch which will lead to a tendency that the whole group will sound off-tune or that you will stick out like a sore thumb since you didn't sing the notes consistently as you're suppose to sing it.
I'm just voicing some of the things I know from being a choir member.
I think you're right about vibrato being used depending on the mood of the song. Since Yuriko is not sticking out nor sounds off-tune, then I guess Yuki did give her permission to sing freely and in a manner that she's most comfortable in.
And now, listening to Silent Moon, I did hear MUCH less vibrato from Yuriko.
I haven't heard Here we Stand in the Morning Dew but I'll try to listen to it and check for comparison.
@Kagaribi no Hanabira: Almost all instruments (including voice) can do a vibrato. It's called a "vibrato" because of the continuous pulsating change of pitch causes one to hear it as if the sound is "vibrating."
As for Kajiura-san's vocalists, Yuriko uses it all the time. Kaori uses it while singing and maintaining a longer note. As for the others, I can hear them do a vibrato, but not as often and not as noticable as Yuriko's and Kaori's.
To be honest, I'm kinda lost at your speculation because my knowledge of music is limited. I know what legato is, but from what you're explaining, I think we have different definitions for that term. As for the sharp-voiced, are you referring to singers with naturally high vocal registers? Is that what you're pertaining? Or are you talking about using head tone vs. chest tone? I'm really sorry...
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garnetjester
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^I think Kagaribi no Hanabira might be referring to the particular "color" of their voices. I don't know if my explanation is going to make a lot of sense, but I'll try it. Some people have "airy" voices, that sound breathier (like Keiko) and others have voices that are naturally more "piercing" sounding, like Yuuka and Hikaru.
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Eei
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@garnetjester: I think I'm kinda getting it now. We're talking about the natural pitch -- in short, the natural vocal registers. Yuuka and Hikaru has naturally high vocal registers, hence they tend to use chest tone (the screaming) to reach the higher notes or the higher parts...?
With that cleared up, I still don't get the part about the vibrato and legato. As I know, legato is when notes are played in a flowing way, kinda like one note flows naturally to the other like they're connected.
Vibrato and legato in singing are two different things for me since you can still sing certain parts in legato and apply vibrato on the last sustaining note...
In any case, I don't know if there is a different vibrato and legato terms specifically used in singing so do forgive me.
With that cleared up, I still don't get the part about the vibrato and legato. As I know, legato is when notes are played in a flowing way, kinda like one note flows naturally to the other like they're connected.
Vibrato and legato in singing are two different things for me since you can still sing certain parts in legato and apply vibrato on the last sustaining note...
In any case, I don't know if there is a different vibrato and legato terms specifically used in singing so do forgive me.
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wintersviolet
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^ Agreed about the legato, AFAIK it's a musical term for a "smooth" style. I think what's being discussed is the use of vibrato or straight tone singing (vocals without vibrato).
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Cerise
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^Hmmm, I’d call it more the ‘texture’ of their voices rather than the pitch, perhaps, because I actually think Kaori has a higher-pitched voice than Hikaru but she doesn’t sound as sharp (probably because of her higher pitched voice, actually, allowing her to reach the higher notes easier than Hikaru).
Rather than ‘breathy’, I’d say Keiko’s voice is quite rich and mellow, so her voice sounds more ‘rounded’ and softer-edged. Kaori I think has the breathy, light, airy voice that sounds very clear and open. Yuuka’s voice is not only high-pitched but it’s also very clear and crisp and quite piercing at times (I believe some people say she sounds quite nasal), so it sounds sharper. Hikaru sounds sharp on high notes because of the way she sings them, I think, it sounds sort of like she pinches(?) (not sure if that’s the right term to use) the notes or otherwise resorts to full-out belting (but then she sounds rough/harsh rather than sharp). But I don’t think Hikaru is a naturally high-pitched singer because she sounds much more comfortable on the lower notes closer to alto. On lower notes she doesn’t sound sharp at all, her voice is much smoother and to me, sort of ‘rolls’ smoothly in the ear. Wakana has a high-pitched voice which is very resonant and which I think is also rich, but in a different way to Keiko’s, and rather than crisp and clear like Yuuka’s it’s smooth and has a fuller sound, which I think is why it doesn’t sound too sharp either. (I always think of Keiko as the vocal equivalent to a cello, Wakana as a violin, I don’t know if it’s just me being weird, but I actually hear some similarities between the texture of the sound the instruments make and the sound of their voices). And Yuriko’s normal voice has a very warm quality to me, her high notes sound richer.
Rather than ‘breathy’, I’d say Keiko’s voice is quite rich and mellow, so her voice sounds more ‘rounded’ and softer-edged. Kaori I think has the breathy, light, airy voice that sounds very clear and open. Yuuka’s voice is not only high-pitched but it’s also very clear and crisp and quite piercing at times (I believe some people say she sounds quite nasal), so it sounds sharper. Hikaru sounds sharp on high notes because of the way she sings them, I think, it sounds sort of like she pinches(?) (not sure if that’s the right term to use) the notes or otherwise resorts to full-out belting (but then she sounds rough/harsh rather than sharp). But I don’t think Hikaru is a naturally high-pitched singer because she sounds much more comfortable on the lower notes closer to alto. On lower notes she doesn’t sound sharp at all, her voice is much smoother and to me, sort of ‘rolls’ smoothly in the ear. Wakana has a high-pitched voice which is very resonant and which I think is also rich, but in a different way to Keiko’s, and rather than crisp and clear like Yuuka’s it’s smooth and has a fuller sound, which I think is why it doesn’t sound too sharp either. (I always think of Keiko as the vocal equivalent to a cello, Wakana as a violin, I don’t know if it’s just me being weird, but I actually hear some similarities between the texture of the sound the instruments make and the sound of their voices). And Yuriko’s normal voice has a very warm quality to me, her high notes sound richer.
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Well said indeed.
Cerise said:
Well said indeed.