Vocal Discussion of Yuki's Singers

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I agree that if whoever is planning to send a mail writes in it "I also dislike the choreography, and dislike Hikaru's high notes and Keiko's cute singing and other things like that" they won't be taken seriously, but as antis, and the concern for Wakana's health won't be taken seriously :uh..:

I mean, there's obviously room for constructive criticism, but I don't think it's easy to word those other negative things subtly so as to maintain Wakana's health concern the main topic.
 
I mean, there's obviously room for constructive criticism, but I don't think it's easy to word those other negative things subtly so as to maintain Wakana's health concern the main topic.
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aye...I understand what you mean!
 
No need to move the discussion, I just changed the topic to 'vocal discussion' so we can use this thread to talk about everything vocal related I guess - like, vocal quality, asking technicalities on vocals, questions on their ranges etc. :sparkleguy:

These discussions are highly fascinating to me, anyway... :ayashii:
 
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I wanna ask Kugayama-san about Kala's performance in Animelo 2011. I wonder if it's good or bad -.-
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I had only heard Magia and Sprinter from Lisani Live a few times before I attended Animelo Summer Live 2011, and my copy of the Red Moon blu-ray turned up only a day or two before I left for Japan, so I had no great familiarity with the songs performed (Magia and Sprinter).

I thought that Kalafina sounded great at Animelo (I was seated in a box near one of the follow spots) and think that it was a great shame that SME didn't allow their set (or T.M.Revolution's) to be included in the released videos.
 
A 'live album' as a concept in general is a bit of a strange thing, thinking about it...it can never match the physical act of being there in person, and it's bound to sound different in any case since amps and PAs produce frequencies that your iPod or home stereo can never recreate (I don't want to go too far off-topic here - I'm a hardcore music nerd so if anyone starts a thread about the technical stuff I'd anjoy reading it!).

Because of that, a recording of a live event needs to provide something 'extra' to make up for the 'being-there' aspect...taking the idea of edited 'highlights' is as good a way as any to do that, i.e. picking out the best performance of each song from the tour and putting them in setlist order. It's something that concert attendees didn't get but then they were, well, there on the day!

I can understand why some people want to post vids of particularly bad performances to highlight the fact that the vocals on any given day are not necessarily what we hear on a live CD, but I'm not sure what else that's going to prove. They're trained professional singers, but they're also human beings. Nobody is going to hit every note exactly right every time; it would be unfair to expect flawless technical accuracy (that's what vocaloid is for...).

I hope my posts here are indeed interesting and aren't annoying or upsetting anyone. I cerrtainly don't want to start an argument, and if there are any old cans of worms that have caused problems in the past, I'm afarid I've not been around long enough to know what they are! :spotlight:
 
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Martin said:
A 'live album' as a concept in general is a bit of a strange thing, thinking about it...it can never match the physical act of being there in person, and it's bound to sound different in any case since amps and PAs produce frequencies that your iPod or home stereo can never recreate (I don't want to go too far off-topic here - I'm a hardcore music nerd so if anyone starts a thread about the technical stuff I'd anjoy reading it!).

Because of that, a recording of a live event needs to provide something 'extra' to make up for the 'being-there' aspect...taking the idea of edited 'highlights' is as good a way as any to do that, i.e. picking out the best performance of each song from the tour and putting them in setlist order. It's something that concert attendees didn't get but then they were, well, there on the day!

I can understand why some people want to post vids of particularly bad performances to highlight the fact that the vocals on any given day are not necessarily what we hear on a live CD, but I'm not sure what else that's going to prove. They're trained professional singers, but they're also human beings. Nobody is going to hit every note exactly right every time; it would be unfair to expect flawless technical accuracy (that's what vocaloid is for...).

I hope my posts here are indeed interesting and aren't annoying or upsetting anyone. I cerrtainly don't want to start an argument, and if there are any old cans of worms that have caused problems in the past, I'm afarid I've not been around long enough to know what they are! :spotlight:
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i see Martin got a point here :ayashii:
 
No need to move the discussion, I just changed the topic to 'vocal discussion' so we can use this thread to talk about everything vocal related I guess - like, vocal quality, asking technicalities on vocals, questions on their ranges etc.
These discussions are highly fascinating to me, anyway...
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aye aye Cerise ^^ it's better to returne in topic ^^
 
A question - how does this Studio Magic thing work? Can it make off-tune notes on-tune? :confu: If so, how come we can still hear mistakes even after editing on live dvds and such?
 
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A question - how does this Studio Magic thing work? Can it make off-tune notes on-tune? :confu: If so, how come we can still hear mistakes even after editing on live dvds and such?
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As I understand it, you can use software to digitally correct notes that are 'off' but it's noticeable when used heavily - a terribad example is that infamous Rebecca Black song that's so heavily processed it sounds like she's singing through a vocoder. :swt:

Since Yuki's singers sound so 'natural' I've assumed that they don't use that sort of stuff. There's a lot of reverb used on the voices - Yuki uses reverb beautifully in her music IMO - but it's all about them harmonising and overdubbing parts to give a church choir-like effect. Of course, if it doesn't sound quite right first time, they can erase the tape and try again! When playing live they can't do that, so that's when the live versions sound rougher and sometimes inferior.

Anyone who's knowledgable about studio techniques, feel free to correct me...I only have experience with recording guitars and bass!
 
:confu: Yeah...it makes me wonder sometimes cos in Studio Magicked lives I can still hear some off-tune slip-ups but for some reason they sound 'nicer' than in raw live slip-ups although both are off-tune...?
 
@Martin: I agree with you :goodjob:

As for the Studio Magic thing, I think that they leave some slightly "off" notes to give the impression that it's unedited. I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't even know what Studio Magic is - I once saw some Youtube comments for an obviously-edited girugamesh live (I know it was edited because the unedited version was also on Youtube, and it sounded much less polished in all respects) talking about how perfect Satoshi sounds live...and I didn't have the heart to correct them :uh..:

I'm assuming, though, that if they leave those slightly "off" notes, it'll help to maintain the illusion of an untouched performance. I know that I used to think the FJ lives were all unedited.
 
As long as it's only about off notes, everything is correctable, but if it's about off-tempo, you'll have to replace the entire audio (of the off-tempo one) with a new one.

and btw srsly, if you go to their concert and still able to notice to mistakes, that must be very severe mistakes lol.
 
^ I'd post the comparison between the unedited and edited giru performances, but I can't find the edited one, ironically. Just rest assured that Satoshi doesn't sing well live hence one commenter saying it was one of their "lamest" performances, which I actually agree with :ohoho:
 
lol yea, thats right :XD:


i wonder if the criticizers had actually went to Live performance :ayashii:
 
^ the problem with witnessing the concert when you're at the venue is you tend to get too excited and end up not paying attention to small details so if you can still notice the mistakes it means that they are too severe to ignore. <- speaking from experience.
 
^I'm on Yuki's side for this issue...:XD:. Seriously, there are many times that I didn't realize even that some artist 'lipsynched' until I saw the video later...lol. Opposite to the studio magic, I call it 'Live magic'... :ohoho: .



There is also a case when I watched a singer with very sharp voice and her live singing is so amazing. But when I watch the video of the concert I joined later, it turns out that her sharp voice sounds more 'annoying'.



I think that the noisy atmosphere in the live event also made you feel that everything is better than usual because the noise can make some minor mistakes&unfavourable things in the song disappear.

Since Cerise already changed the topic title..:XD:.. I'd like to raise a new question here, it's about vocal, but not about the range: "What is feminine voice and among Yuki's singer, who is a kind of feminine voice?"

Let me clarify my question, if you google this word, it turns out that 'feminine voice' is the way that transgenders make their voices sound like female, but 'feminine voice' in my context is different. I saw this word used to describe some K-pop female singers and I first imagined that it may be a kind of sharp, sweet or cute voice, but it turns out that those singers has smooth and thick voice, and also quite low (absolutely opposite from what I've thought!!)

I think I've heard only 3 feminine-voice singers..so it's possible that it's just a coincidence that their voice styles' are similar and feminine voice just means 'voice of female'. If anyone knows the specific meaning of it, could you clarify it for me....? (If it's like what I think, I guess that Keiko&Luna may be in this kind.)
 
Ohhhh, hmm I'm not sure what the technical musical meaning of the term is, but when you say 'feminine voice', I think of Wakana's voice, not just because it's high-pitched but it just gives me a very rich 'womanly' feel...Keiko as well, to an extent but not so much Hikaru, for some reason :confu:
 
Ohhhh, hmm I'm not sure what the technical musical meaning of the term is, but when you say 'feminine voice', I think of Wakana's voice, not just because it's high-pitched but it just gives me a very rich 'womanly' feel...Keiko as well, to an extent but not so much Hikaru, for some reason
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+1!!
 
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