I don't plan on entering this discussion, but I have a single question for you Pontianak.
Madoka is bad, and that is a truth that can't be refuted. That being said, critics that work only with Japanese animation, and as such have a vast knowledge of this specific area, may end up praising it (since Anime Grand Prix isn't out yet, it is hard to know). Are they far from the truth while you have grasped it?
By the way does anyone more thinks that is is too much. at this rate madoka will end like evangelion and they unlimited merchandise http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... -published
I'd very much prefer them to animate what was already published in supplementary material like mangas and CD dramas (sans Kazumi Magica that still looks rather weird in my opinion), plus the original length of ep 10 (they make an hour-long ep 1 for Fate/Zero but not the full ep 10 for Madoka? Except it has something to do with them being aired on different channels), but if it's the closest we'll get to knowing the full story... Bring it on. I'll take every bit of official info I can obtain.
And both of them are about finding their identity.
Narutaru sounds like a valid example. Not sure of the following three shows do, since Bokurano and Evangelion are of a different genre, and Mai-Hime's genre looks a bit ambiguous to me.
But I'd like to clarify things about Nanoha. Many people are tempted to compare it to Madoka on the base of them having one director (at least for the first season in MGLN's case), and actually you can see a couple of things in PMMM that seem to be blatant shout-outs to Nanoha. And both shows are outstanding samples of their genre. However, they approach the subject differently. Madoka deconstructs the magical girl concept by questioning its basic principles. Nanoha merges it with Clarke's third law. The only common thing their universes seem to have is that magic is discovered, studied and used by a civilization more advanced than Earth's. Only in MGLN's case
this is a HUMAN civilization as well.
It's funny, but on its way to becoming an unorthodox mahou shoujo franchise, Nanoha actually came close to severing its ties with the genre. The whole "magical girl" parallels eventually seem to be young Nanoha's POV based on the similarity of her situation and the animes she might have watched (and that's why she makes up a cute outfit, uses "lyrical incantations" and whatnot), but it's already somewhere halfway through the second season that they all seem to drop the "magical girl" term itself and go with "battle mage" instead. Madoka, on the other hand, manages to remain a magical girl show by concept, even reconstructing some of the single-handedly deconstructed tropes in the end.
Why can nobody separate fondness with objective standard of quality?
Because you seem to be among the fewer lucky ones who know the latter?
I could list a bunch of my own complaints about Madoka. It's just that for every one of them, some people here might agree and some might tell me I'm picking on things that are more than passable and miss the TRUE flaws the show has that they found.
That being said, critics that work only with Japanese animation, and as such have a vast knowledge of this specific area, may end up praising it (since Anime Grand Prix isn't out yet, it is hard to know). Are they far from the truth while you have grasped it?
I considered mentioning Animation Kobe Awards myself, but since these guys have given last year's TV anime award to K-On!!, I suspect Ponti wouldn't have a good impression on their competence.
@Nick
I also don't take Anime Grand Prix that seriously, since we do not know WHY they consider this or that anime the best of its year. Also, if I am not wrong, this Award is a mixture between critics and fans, so it would have the so-called fondness in it as well. But let's just say critics in general, then.
I heard that overseas, Annie Awards are rumoured to work that way, too.
Of course, Madoka has some individual fans whose taste and competence are normally less debated in public. Mamoru Oshii, for example. I hope Aniplex didn't pay him for it?
so it would have the so-called fondness in it as well.
Narutaru sounds like a valid example. Not sure of the following three shows do, since Bokurano and Evangelion are of a different genre, and Mai-Hime's genre looks a bit ambiguous to me.
It's not even difficult to do. "I like this, but _____" is a wonderfully simple concept that escapes the majority of the population.
I could list a bunch of my own complaints about Madoka. It's just that for every one of them, some people here might agree and some might tell me I'm picking on things that are more than passable and miss the TRUE flaws the show has that they found.
Critics in a certain field don't have any more of a valid opinion than critics elsewhere, since I've seen official gaming critics hail certain game scenes - Aerith's death, for example - as extremely heartwarming/perfect/amazing in every way, when in actuality, it isn't. It's a nonsensical and completely out-of-character act that was only put in there to make people go OMG. It was only effective because people weren't suspecting it, for all the wrong reasons.
And I want fully animated Yuma and Oriko! And Kyouko's past, too!
Of course, your addressing may be misaimed... While we know Urobuchi supervised the dramas, was Shinbo involved with them in any way? Oh wait, he's still part of Magica Quartet technically...
But he's doing other projects now, so even if there is a new Madoka animation, late 2012/early 2013 is probably THE VERY VERY EARLIEST we may see them.
Not that I'll mind this wait TOO much provided they use it to come up with something worthy. Whether it's too much to ask future OVAs/seasons to equal the original or not, milking a franchise is always welcomed as long as the staff involved at least puts enough heart and effort into production.and enough budget, too.
While Madoka had LOL ALIYUNZ, the others had mecha.
And Bokurano had aliyunz, too.
But I could argue about MGLN being dark... It has enough serious themes, but in my opinion it was just as dark as you deem Madoka to be.
Still, kinda nice to see it earns an average rating with you.
A critic hat doesn't give anyone more validity towards analysis than a police uniform does towards morality.
I haven't heard of policemen directly trained to be more moral, but a critic hat supposedly means a critic profession. And all the knowledge/training required from one to get this hat.
And if professional training in criticism doesn't influence validity of analysis... than thank goodness we've got people like you instead to do the job!
One generally associates morality and ethics with law enforcement, since the law is supposed to be ethical in execution.
Just because it's your profession doesn't mean you're going to be 100% right all the time, like how being a presidential candidate doesn't mean you're fit to run a country in the best way possible.
but a critic hat supposedly means a critic profession. And all the knowledge/training required from one to get this hat.
The same goes for anyone with a job, but not everyone with a job is good at it.
And if professional training in criticism doesn't influence validity of analysis... than thank goodness we've got people like you instead to do the job!
Now I wonder what is perfection to you, you troll about how stupid Madoka is,but have you really observed the character designs in your Mononoke?
Being reasonable isn't about telling lies.One thing is to be able to construct your sentences as to become more tactful in discussions such as these.Your way of seeing Madoka as horrible is clearly just your own opinion.You're just forcing it to be the truth.If you don't care about other's likes then why bother posting your long opinions?Being a critical person is okie, FYI you're not the only one who is being critical, but it is way different from being a fault finder.Have you read your recent posts?Kindly think before you click.
Since you used Jesus Christ as your example last time on a different thread, I hope you could ponder on this:
“Listen and get the sense of it: Not what enters into [his] mouth defiles a man; but it is what proceeds out of [his] mouth that defiles a man.” - Matthew 15:10,11
Best Male Character: Rintaro Okabe Best Female Character: Akemi Homura
Best Mascot Character: Kyubey
Best Screenplay: Madoka Magica
Best Character Design: Madoka Magica
Best Music: Madoka Magica
Best Song: Madoka Magica "Conect"
Best Photography: Madoka Magica
Best Art Direction: Madoka Magica
Best Color Design: Madoka Magica
Best Effects: Madoka Magica
Best Commercial: THE IDOLM@STER
Best Male VA: Mamoru Miyano Best Female VA: Aoi Yuuki
Best Male Supporting VA: Keiji Fujiwara Best Female Supporting VA: Chiwa Saito Best Director: Akiyuki Shinbo "Madoka Magica"
Best Movie: Macross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye
Except it has something to do with them being aired on different channels), but if it's the closest we'll get to knowing the full story... Bring it on. I'll take every bit of official info I can obtain. 
Not sure of the following three shows do, since Bokurano and Evangelion are of a different genre, and Mai-Hime's genre looks a bit ambiguous to me.
