Nick Hunter
I have reached Yuki nirvana
no, only the DVD sales were available before. Thanks for the info, both to you and George! 
So, like with DVD, the increase in sales is mild, but an increase nonetheless. And Madoka rules again.
With a bit of Pandora Hearts, too, maybe (the mood is close to Foretaste)
Also arguably comparable to Maxwell's Witch... wait, "Maxwell's Witch"? 
So, like with DVD, the increase in sales is mild, but an increase nonetheless. And Madoka rules again.
With a bit of Pandora Hearts, too, maybe (the mood is close to Foretaste)
Also arguably comparable to Maxwell's Witch... wait, "Maxwell's Witch"?
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Kazado
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^Don't see Maxwel's Witch similarities but yes Foretaste. In fact, Terror adhaerens IS Foretaste, same structure, overall the pause (1:55 of Terror ad... is 2:57 of Foretaste). Pandora Heart's track is the most epic imo.
Vampires, they got more bloodgeorge1234 said:http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3632724#post3632724
Nick Hunter
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Terror Adhaerens sounds a bit more, well, fleshed out.
But overall, these tracks are really close.Meanwhile, I listened to Witch (Future Soundscape I) yesterday... lord, not only the title, but the song itself woud feel right at home in Madoka OST!
Seriously, if Magia wasn't used during Gertrude fight, I'd suggest this track instead. 
And they'll get more. Not sure about the whole Internet, but at least the discussions in Russian anime forums heavily lean to the prospect of OST 2 and OST 3 to come bundled.
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joel_jman
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^kara no kyoukai's bundled
puella magi's also bundled
maybe fate/zero's ost will also be bundled
puella magi's also bundled
maybe fate/zero's ost will also be bundled
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Kazado
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if if if if, a lot of if... xD
If Magia had been used ONLY as ending theme...Nick Hunter said:Seriously, if Magia wasn't used during Gertrude fight, I'd suggest this track instead.
if if if if, a lot of if... xD
Nick Hunter
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Well, I can't say I have anything AGAINST it being used in the series itself... 
If it had been used only as the ending theme, we might have got WN theme in ep 1/10 and "Mami vs Charlotte"/"Homura vs Charlotte" in ep 2.
I've heard all about these concerns, but IMHO if you want lame OST distribution, see Tsubasa Chronicle 2nd.
Madoka is alright.
If it had been used only as the ending theme, we might have got WN theme in ep 1/10 and "Mami vs Charlotte"/"Homura vs Charlotte" in ep 2.
I've heard all about these concerns, but IMHO if you want lame OST distribution, see Tsubasa Chronicle 2nd.
Madoka is alright.
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Kazado
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Or new music. Magia as battle theme is great, but this killed the possibility of more/new music.Nick Hunter said:
The OST is a litle... poor. Yuki did music to cover the script of the anime; music fits, ok. Sis puella magica! was featured like a theme for the magic (awesome in ep2), then Shaft used it as SAD THEME (repetitive and depressive ep3-11). Salve, terrae magicae was used very well (preparation for the battles or Homura's evolution), I love the scenes where this BGM appeared. Madoka Magica's music is like Kara no Kyoukai Garan no Dou OST, good for the show but poor musically.
I can't explain my feelings when I listen to music of Tsubasa, Madlax or Kara no Kyoukai (though this is motion picture) but I'm pretty sure that those feelings aren't the same as when I listen to Madoka Magica music.
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Razgriz
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own it, Love it!
Nick Hunter
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Looked like it to me as well, but checking when it plays exactly... it remains the theme for the magic, for the whole system and fate of magical girls. I understand people who consider it overused, but I think I also see the the logic followed in this particular case.
Not QUITE, really. It's scene-based indeed, but KnK OST was about 3/4 scene-based music. I advise you not to judge OST Vol 1 as a separate CD (akin to PH OST 1, for instance), but wait till the rest is released, sum it up and see that the ratio of full-fledged themes is higher than any KnK movie (with the exception of KnK6, maybe, but I'm not sure). And like I said, many of transition BGMs are already used here, meaning there will be more stand-alone tracks in other volumes.
Not that transitions are bad - Puella in Somnio sure has its fans here, and I'm personally in love with the "Madoka's grief" track (episodes 4, 7, 9), even though it's more of a transition BGM, but it touches the right strings in me. 
Besides, there are tracks like Terror Adhaerens that get an upgrade for the OST release.Overall, these are soundtracks. We're all bought with bodies and souls by how Yuki's soundtracks rather resemble instrumental albums, but how big is that semblance really is will always depend on the work she composes for. Fewer BGMs and more instrumental/Kajiuran "songs" are not a matter of "the bygone glorious days", for even before those days OSTs like Kimagure and Double Cast have a fair share of BGMs, while Boogiepop, compiled from inspired music rather than actual soundtracks, sounds no worse than any Bee Train OST. But seriously, the factor behind "glorious days" bears the name of Koichi Mashimo who let Yuki write whatever she pleased and adjusted animation to music rather than vice versa. It would be far-fetched to expect all the other directors Yuki works with to do the same (lest they should adopt Bee Train style, which would be...
). And insisting on writing full-scale five minute instrumentals that may or may not be easly insertable into the actual scene will leave you without job offers in no time. Yuki chose not to rest on the laurels of a composer capable of turning anime music into great instrumental albums (and eternally depend on how many actual projects may require them), but develop her skills in the field of traditional soundtrack music as well - and boy, did she succeed in that. I'd love (and hey, who of us wouldn't?) to have all of her OSTs being like Noir or Madlax (not that THOSE didn't have absolutely any transition tracks, but the OST CDs left out most of them to make room for fullscale themes), but if she chooses to take a project requiring scene-based music, I'll be content. Especially since in terms of fitting the scenes this music will be as much quality as Yuki's other usual works - and even being "transition tracks"... they're still more interesting to listen apart from the sourse than many of their kind by other composers. I've tried some Kenji Kawaii OSTs - they're as psychodelic and SFX-abounding as a dozen of KnKs, but somehow KnK OSTs sound much more enticing even if you didn't see the movies.That's why I don't mind Yuki writing scene-based music, while always eagerly wondering how many fullscale instrumentals (or songs) we'll get.
But Madoka already sports quite a delicious number of them, for a one-cour show OST (talking the OST here, not a chunk of it Sony bundles with the BDs).
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Kazado
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Puella in somnio is a dark piece for a dark character. No problem. Terror adhaerens, do you like? You will hear more of this in OST2.
Those five minutes instrumentals is the way where Kajiura can compose with freedom, then we can hear good music and not repetitive nor short like Sis puella magica! (though I have to say that the interlude of that track is very free). For example, Gradus prohibitus is a good track and they used good, 2 parts makes the song delicious. Salve, terrae magicae awesome track like I said, so short -thanks Yuki, great bridge, no only flute- but why too short? Shaft influences (stupid if they've got to loop it)? Not much inspiration? No budget? On the other hand, Crush from Pandora Hearts, omg, awesome composition: guitar, flute, strings and more, my favorite track and I don’t get tired to listen to it. ~4 min and Xebec never used it fully. Like I think you said, those five minutes instrumentals haven't cover five minutes of the one episode. The GOOD sound director cut/strip the piece, Tsubasa OADs are a good example. Maybe, you envy Mashimo, I don't know why and I don't mind, but please, forget him. Have you hear the a song of storm and fire from Tsubasa episode 1? They looped the bridge. This takes me again to the question about the Madoka tracks: why too short/repetitive?
And what does 'traditional soundtrack' means? If means to do boring OST sometimes, I prefer that traditional soundtracks.
In short, in my opinion:
Tsubasa OST1&2 > Madoka OST1&2&3
Historia OST1&2 > Madoka OST1&2&3
Erementar Gerad OST1&thing <> Madoka OST1&2&3
Everybody here have to admit it, Madoka Magica soundtrack is not the best of Yuki. It will be remembered because the anime is popular.
With love, from my feelings and ears.
(By the way, Clementia is used in episode 6, not only in drama).
The whole system and fate is SAD until the EvaMadoka's birth. If that theme is overused means the script is monotonous. Hey, there are other themes to reflect the pain of the girls, why to use Sis pm again and again?Nick Hunter said:
Looked like it to me as well, but checking when it plays exactly... it remains the theme for the magic, for the whole system and fate of magical girls. I understand people who consider it overused, but I think I also see the the logic followed in this particular case.
I've listened ALL the music and I reaffirm my previous post, the next OST will contain new battle themes and strings/piano tracks (no more vocal tracks until Tokyo Konsei/Yuri Kasahara=OST3). Unreleased music? Perhaps (CD3 has a lot of free space, lol).Nick Hunter said:
Not QUITE, really. It's scene-based indeed, but KnK OST was about 3/4 scene-based music. I advise you not to judge OST Vol 1 as a separate CD (akin to PH OST 1, for instance), but wait till the rest is released, sum it up and see that the ratio of full-fledged themes is higher than any KnK movie (with the exception of KnK6, maybe, but I'm not sure). And like I said, many of transition BGMs are already used here, meaning there will be more stand-alone tracks in other volumes.
Puella in somnio is a dark piece for a dark character. No problem. Terror adhaerens, do you like? You will hear more of this in OST2.
Those five minutes instrumentals is the way where Kajiura can compose with freedom, then we can hear good music and not repetitive nor short like Sis puella magica! (though I have to say that the interlude of that track is very free). For example, Gradus prohibitus is a good track and they used good, 2 parts makes the song delicious. Salve, terrae magicae awesome track like I said, so short -thanks Yuki, great bridge, no only flute- but why too short? Shaft influences (stupid if they've got to loop it)? Not much inspiration? No budget? On the other hand, Crush from Pandora Hearts, omg, awesome composition: guitar, flute, strings and more, my favorite track and I don’t get tired to listen to it. ~4 min and Xebec never used it fully. Like I think you said, those five minutes instrumentals haven't cover five minutes of the one episode. The GOOD sound director cut/strip the piece, Tsubasa OADs are a good example. Maybe, you envy Mashimo, I don't know why and I don't mind, but please, forget him. Have you hear the a song of storm and fire from Tsubasa episode 1? They looped the bridge. This takes me again to the question about the Madoka tracks: why too short/repetitive?
And what does 'traditional soundtrack' means? If means to do boring OST sometimes, I prefer that traditional soundtracks.
In short, in my opinion:
Tsubasa OST1&2 > Madoka OST1&2&3
Historia OST1&2 > Madoka OST1&2&3
Erementar Gerad OST1&thing <> Madoka OST1&2&3
Everybody here have to admit it, Madoka Magica soundtrack is not the best of Yuki. It will be remembered because the anime is popular.
With love, from my feelings and ears.
(By the way, Clementia is used in episode 6, not only in drama).
Lol, what are you listened to say that?Nick Hunter said:
george1234
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Wow this has to be the longer post of Kazado EVER
A agree with the last 2 lines before the greetings. The tracks are good but not anything awesome (except the Sayaka witch and the Welpurgis Night themes maybe). However its going to make Yuki really popular because the show was extremely popular.
A agree with the last 2 lines before the greetings. The tracks are good but not anything awesome (except the Sayaka witch and the Welpurgis Night themes maybe). However its going to make Yuki really popular because the show was extremely popular.
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KP-X
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^Will it really make her that popular?
I'm going ot be sincere. The otaku/anime/whatever fandom has "short memory". They remember what they want to and they will not necessarily follow other Kajiura's works. The great majority will most probably remember Madoka's OST, claim it to be her best ever, and that's it. If Yuki takes, let's say, a one year vacation from OSTs most "recent" fans will in a sense forget her already. I think she will have imediate "popularity" but it will most probably be a fleeting one.
And the whole Madoka OST discussion...wow, my mind is stilll spinning with the big testaments XD All I have to say is that I agree with both Kazado and Nick.
Anyway, why is KnK OST considered to be psychodelic? lol I find it to be so Kajiura standart, nothing out of ordinary (even though I love it)
I'm going ot be sincere. The otaku/anime/whatever fandom has "short memory". They remember what they want to and they will not necessarily follow other Kajiura's works. The great majority will most probably remember Madoka's OST, claim it to be her best ever, and that's it. If Yuki takes, let's say, a one year vacation from OSTs most "recent" fans will in a sense forget her already. I think she will have imediate "popularity" but it will most probably be a fleeting one.
And the whole Madoka OST discussion...wow, my mind is stilll spinning with the big testaments XD All I have to say is that I agree with both Kazado and Nick.
Anyway, why is KnK OST considered to be psychodelic? lol I find it to be so Kajiura standart, nothing out of ordinary (even though I love it)
Lorde-Kowz
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Oh god this! I've read quite a few posts from 4chan that said that, and i'm like "you serious?".
george1234
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That's right but there are still fans that have long-term memory, and I was refering mainly to those.
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KP-X
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^True, but these fans that have a long memory are not numerous enough to make Kajiura popular. They are, generally, people from forums and we tend to believe that forums dictate "reality" and things are not like that. See Kowz's post, I didn't even have the time to read such comments and it is already happening. I agree that she will have momentaneous fame, but it won't go very far from this. The fans that will remember her after one semester and will begin to follow her entire work are too few in comparison to those that will worship only Madoka's OST.
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I agree. I thought the PMMM soundtrack overall was decent, and I liked it. I still prefer the KnK soundtracks, though. (Didn't help that whoever was in charge of music in PMMM has succeeded in making me go, "oh no, not again" whenever I hear Sis puella magica! A shame too, because I would like that song if it hadn't been endlessly repeated in its entirety throughout the show.)
IMO, I don't think Yuki's popularity from Madoka is going to disappear that quickly. It definitely won't explode into a cascade of firm Yuki supporters, but I think Madoka's helped to expose more people to Yuki's music and they'll be more favorable towards her works if they liked the soundtrack.
The more enthusiastic Yuki fans make more of an effort and turn up in Yuki-centric places (ex: this forum), but in other places I saw people (who aren't necessarily die-hard Yuki fans) getting excited about Madoka and planning to watch it because "Yuki Kajiura is the composer". So it's possible that that way of thinking will apply to Yuki's future anime works as well- people seeing a series and thinking, "Yuki Kajiura's making the music? She's the person who composed Madoka and I quite liked the soundtrack, I'll consider watching it when it comes out."
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I agree. I thought the PMMM soundtrack overall was decent, and I liked it. I still prefer the KnK soundtracks, though. (Didn't help that whoever was in charge of music in PMMM has succeeded in making me go, "oh no, not again" whenever I hear Sis puella magica! A shame too, because I would like that song if it hadn't been endlessly repeated in its entirety throughout the show.)
IMO, I don't think Yuki's popularity from Madoka is going to disappear that quickly. It definitely won't explode into a cascade of firm Yuki supporters, but I think Madoka's helped to expose more people to Yuki's music and they'll be more favorable towards her works if they liked the soundtrack.
The more enthusiastic Yuki fans make more of an effort and turn up in Yuki-centric places (ex: this forum
), but in other places I saw people (who aren't necessarily die-hard Yuki fans) getting excited about Madoka and planning to watch it because "Yuki Kajiura is the composer". So it's possible that that way of thinking will apply to Yuki's future anime works as well- people seeing a series and thinking, "Yuki Kajiura's making the music? She's the person who composed Madoka and I quite liked the soundtrack, I'll consider watching it when it comes out."
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joel_jman
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wintersviolet said:
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+1 on that. Although I must say I'm still pretty alright with the repeated soundtrack (re)use, though. It's not as if Hollywood blockbusters are not guilty of such.
Esp. +1 again on PMMM being a decent soundtrack. I think it actually worked during the anime. So...no complaints.
wintersviolet said:Kazado said:
I agree. I thought the PMMM soundtrack overall was decent, and I liked it. I still prefer the KnK soundtracks, though. (Didn't help that whoever was in charge of music in PMMM has succeeded in making me go, "oh no, not again" whenever I hear Sis puella magica! A shame too, because I would like that song if it hadn't been endlessly repeated in its entirety throughout the show.)
IMO, I don't think Yuki's popularity from Madoka is going to disappear that quickly. It definitely won't explode into a cascade of firm Yuki supporters, but I think Madoka's helped to expose more people to Yuki's music and they'll be more favorable towards her works if they liked the soundtrack.
The more enthusiastic Yuki fans make more of an effort and turn up in Yuki-centric places (ex: this forum
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+1 on that. Although I must say I'm still pretty alright with the repeated soundtrack (re)use, though. It's not as if Hollywood blockbusters are not guilty of such.
Esp. +1 again on PMMM being a decent soundtrack. I think it actually worked during the anime. So...no complaints.