george1234
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^ Oh I see. Ι was mainly talking about songs that were made originally for her in 2 groups, but its a different story if you include the covers too.
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~mana~
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I've just finished reading all of your comments 
Firstly @george: Why are you scared of Hikaru in yami no Uta
I want an explanation
@Coral: I aggree with you to some extend. In FJ Keiko has more lead in proportion to her in Kalafina.
I wanna taste her voice tone in the opening lines of I swear. Coz it's different from her usual tone. And I think Keiko has much more notes (both high and low) that Yuki hasn't used.Anyways one way or another onegai Kajiura-sama please hear our prayers and make Keiko main, Alleluia
Btw I wonder why there isn't any song for them just in Kajiurago. They have in OSTs but not in any album or in any concert live. Kajiurago is Yuki's trademark. It's neither FJ's nor Kalafina's only. Maybe Yuki wants to keep Kaijura go FJ but don'r you guys think also how awsome it would be if Yuki made a full Kaijurago song for Kalafina album and Hikaru and Wakanna singing falsettos together also we hearing Keiko's that kind of thin and soft voice and in some parts everyone singslow notes *
Ok I have flied a bit much 
But it can't be help since I'm a
Firstly @george: Why are you scared of Hikaru in yami no Uta
I want an explanation @Coral: I aggree with you to some extend. In FJ Keiko has more lead in proportion to her in Kalafina.
I wanna taste her voice tone in the opening lines of I swear. Coz it's different from her usual tone. And I think Keiko has much more notes (both high and low) that Yuki hasn't used.Anyways one way or another onegai Kajiura-sama please hear our prayers and make Keiko main, Alleluia
Btw I wonder why there isn't any song for them just in Kajiurago. They have in OSTs but not in any album or in any concert live. Kajiurago is Yuki's trademark. It's neither FJ's nor Kalafina's only. Maybe Yuki wants to keep Kaijura go FJ but don'r you guys think also how awsome it would be if Yuki made a full Kaijurago song for Kalafina album and Hikaru and Wakanna singing falsettos together also we hearing Keiko's that kind of thin and soft voice and in some parts everyone singslow notes *
Ok I have flied a bit much But it can't be help since I'm a
george1234
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Because she sounds scary !
especially in the refrains
together with the strings she gives me the impression that she's the satan and is about to kill you But I LOVE the Keiko parts 
~mana~ said:Firstly @george: Why are you scared of Hikaru in yami no Uta
Because she sounds scary !
especially in the refrains
together with the strings she gives me the impression that she's the satan and is about to kill you
But I LOVE the Keiko parts
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Coral
Guest
@mana
Well, I think Kalafina doesn't sing full Kajiuran songs 'cause they're a pop/rock group, first and foremost. When's the last time a mainstream pop or rock group sang an entire song in a made-up language that doesn't mean anything? Not saying it hasn't happened (feel free to point to examples I haven't thought of), but a whole song of Kajiuran could be confusing, strange, and potentially off-putting for folks who aren't already die-hard Yuki fans like us. So, full album of Kajiuran from Kalafina is unlikely--not that it won't be awesome, but I can see why it won't happen.
Plus, Yuki stated that she invented Kajiuran so that she could use vocal tracks in soundtracks without being restricted by lyrics. Lyrics limit when the song could be used since it's given a more specific meaning, and Yuki didn't want lyrics to be playing in a scene that doesn't fit. She talks about that in the second interview here: http://canta-per-me.net/lyrics/about-kajiurago/
Since Kalafina's songs probably won't be used as soundtrack pieces (except the occasional insert song like in Kuroshitsuji II), there's no reason for them to be fully Kajiuran.
FJ, on the other hand, was formed mainly to sing Yuki's (soundtrack) songs live. The live performances are targeted at people who are fans of Yuki the anime soundtrack composer (as opposed to Yuki the pop/rock composer in Kalafina), so of course they perform Kajiuran tracks like Mezame, Zodiacal Sign, ect. But notice that Everlasting Songs, FJ's studio album, didn't contain any Kajiuran-only songs, and nor do their singles (which are used as anime themes songs the same way Kalafina's material is).
Well, I think Kalafina doesn't sing full Kajiuran songs 'cause they're a pop/rock group, first and foremost. When's the last time a mainstream pop or rock group sang an entire song in a made-up language that doesn't mean anything? Not saying it hasn't happened (feel free to point to examples I haven't thought of), but a whole song of Kajiuran could be confusing, strange, and potentially off-putting for folks who aren't already die-hard Yuki fans like us. So, full album of Kajiuran from Kalafina is unlikely--not that it won't be awesome, but I can see why it won't happen.
Plus, Yuki stated that she invented Kajiuran so that she could use vocal tracks in soundtracks without being restricted by lyrics. Lyrics limit when the song could be used since it's given a more specific meaning, and Yuki didn't want lyrics to be playing in a scene that doesn't fit. She talks about that in the second interview here: http://canta-per-me.net/lyrics/about-kajiurago/
Since Kalafina's songs probably won't be used as soundtrack pieces (except the occasional insert song like in Kuroshitsuji II), there's no reason for them to be fully Kajiuran.
FJ, on the other hand, was formed mainly to sing Yuki's (soundtrack) songs live. The live performances are targeted at people who are fans of Yuki the anime soundtrack composer (as opposed to Yuki the pop/rock composer in Kalafina), so of course they perform Kajiuran tracks like Mezame, Zodiacal Sign, ect. But notice that Everlasting Songs, FJ's studio album, didn't contain any Kajiuran-only songs, and nor do their singles (which are used as anime themes songs the same way Kalafina's material is).
george1234
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^ Αgree... But truth is that Kalafina is credited for providing vocals in some of the KnK OSTs (1st and 2nd and 4th movie if Im not mistaken) + "snow IS falling" from knk ost collection (which was used in the epilogue movie) where wakana and keiko sing kajiurago. but indeed I dont see them performing OST tracks in their lives, since they are performed in the Kajiura lives anyway (even the sony ones).
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Coral
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Yeah, they do provide Kajiuran vocals for OSTs. I kinda discounted those 'cause they weren't released on any Kalafina albums or singles. (Snow Is Falling got rereleased as "Snow Falling" in a non-Kajiuran version, and the Kajiuran main theme of movie 4 became Aria).
george1234
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^ Ι think it was the opposide (first the song, then the BGM) in Aria's and fairytale's case.
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Coral
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Either way, it's the Japanese version that got on a Kalafina release.
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joel_jman
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It would be awesome IF it would be PURELY wakana, keiko, and hikaru ONLY otherwise, not interested if they will just imitate Yuriko's, Hanae's or even Yuki's parts in that song.
~mana~ said:
I would have wanted them to sing in their normal voices
If it's a tragic song, I'm pretty sure KEIKO would only do solo in the beginning.
also the 6th movie. The seventh movie OST had only WAKANA, though. snow is falling has Yuriko.
As for the PVs. Please don't release a PV just for the sake of making a promotional material. CMs would jut be as good. SOmeone /told me/ before that both the PV and CM for Hikari Furu were played every time to the point that he got bored with it.
Lorde-Kowz
I have reached Yuki nirvana
You mean the fourth, right?
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joel_jman
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^ I mean, credited as WAKANA only and not Kalafina. The other listed chorus for the seventh movie are Hanae and Tokyo Konsei.
george1234
Moderator
^ But there was no new BGM of Wakana in the 7th movie, there's just some repetition of the main theme from movie 1 like in all the movies. all new tracks of movie 7 are by Hanae or TK.
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Jirichi
Guest
Alleluia, I am hoping it will be like Seventh Heaven, since it's the final KNK movie.
Can't wait for both single and movie. :>
Can't wait for both single and movie. :>
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~mana~
Guest
@george:I think you should afraid of Wakana's voice here
The song itself is gothic though. Consuming highest and lowest notes together - such a great song - and when we come to your imagination about
I've listened the son again and in Kajiurago part,
Hikaru and Keiko in this line really makes me think like that. As if some kinda sacrfice ritual happening
@Coral: I had read it before. Made-up languge indeed shifts the boundaries of lyrics and let us feel solely pure music. I aggree with Kajiura-san in that aspect
You're right it would be sound a bit weird but they don't only pop/rock genre, their music contains so many genres, and what I meant was for example Snow is Falling in Kajiurago but in album they used the Japanese version namely "Snow Falling". Why don't they vocalize their Kajiurago songs from OSTs, coz FJ does. For instance, I would want to listen to Kara no Kyoukai Medley live not in Yuki Kaijura Vol#7 but in a Kalafina live. Coz it's their song and that anime brought foth them to born
@joel_jman:
They already said in moonfesta in this part
Btw, Kajiura-sama said,
According to thing comment I think the song will be a ballad and as you all said Keiko is well matched with this genre. And if it really is I doubt that she will be only singing opening lines in solo
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joel_jman
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I see your point. Yes, thanks to KnK, Kalafina was born. But do you think they can handle it (without resorting to playbacks for additional voice layers)? Besides, not all the songs in that KnK medley is purely Kalafina.
Also, I don't get this part.
@joel_jman:
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I would have wanted them to sing in their normal voices
They already said in moonfesta in this part
george1234
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actually the kajiurago of Yami no Uta are done by Yuriko.
~mana~ said:I've listened the son again and in Kajiurago part,
Hikaru and Keiko in this line really makes me think like that. As if some kinda sacrfice ritual happening
actually the kajiurago of Yami no Uta are done by Yuriko.
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~mana~
Guest
@joel_jman:
It was reply to this conversation of ours:
@george:
How could forget to state the live version of it which is in the Red Moon DVD
Kono atashi no bakaaaa 
Hontou ni gomennasai 
It was reply to this conversation of ours:
Then I stated the part of moonfesta above which Wakana and Hikaru singing together in their regular voice tone
@george:
How could forget to state the live version of it which is in the Red Moon DVD
Kono atashi no bakaaaa Hontou ni gomennasai
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joel_jman
Guest
^ I see
What I mean is that, should they make a full song in Kajiurago, I would prefer it if they don't sing in falsetto
What I mean is that, should they make a full song in Kajiurago, I would prefer it if they don't sing in falsetto
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Coral
Guest
@mana
I guessed I used "pop" more as a shorthand for "popular/current music" rather than the meaning it's taken on (a very specific genre of current music). What I should've said: "Kalafina are recording artists under a major mainstream label, not an indie group or something. Their music is already quite experimental for a group in that situation. Expecting them to release a whole album in a meaningless made-up language that would be welcome only by hardcore fans of their composer/producer (remember, Yuki is an actual member of FJ, present during performances, PVs, and covers, while she's almost completely behind-the-scenes on Kalafina) is a bit unrealistic." Not saying such an album won't be awesome, but it's unlikely to happen.
But hey, never say never. If Kalafina becomes mega-famous, then they can do whatever they want, including experimenting more. An album of Kajiuran could draw people into Yuki's language rather than driving off everyone who isn't already a fan. However, at this point, Kalafina has enough of a fanbase to worry about audience reaction, but are not famous enough to release any album they want.
Why they don't perform those soundtrack songs live... My exposure to KnK music is mainly through the compilation CDs and the movies themselves, so correct me if I'm wrong (listened to very few of the individual "M+whatever" tracks), but don't lots of those tracks have a lower proportion of vocals (vs. instrumentals) compared to regular Kalafina songs as well as their Japanese lyric versions? For instance, the track from movie 4 is a lot like Aria with the main melody removed. Why would they perform that track as opposed to just performing Aria, especially since Kalafina are a vocal group first and foremost?
Only exception to this is Snow Is Falling vs. Snow Falling, where both are vocal-centric. Kajiuran is probably still a barrier then, hence why they made the Japanese version. Mind you, I think the Kajiuran version is four times better and would love to see it performed in a Kalafina live (though I guess Hikaru would be left with only dramatic hand gestures ), but I'm not holding my breath.
I guessed I used "pop" more as a shorthand for "popular/current music" rather than the meaning it's taken on (a very specific genre of current music). What I should've said: "Kalafina are recording artists under a major mainstream label, not an indie group or something. Their music is already quite experimental for a group in that situation. Expecting them to release a whole album in a meaningless made-up language that would be welcome only by hardcore fans of their composer/producer (remember, Yuki is an actual member of FJ, present during performances, PVs, and covers, while she's almost completely behind-the-scenes on Kalafina) is a bit unrealistic." Not saying such an album won't be awesome, but it's unlikely to happen.
But hey, never say never. If Kalafina becomes mega-famous, then they can do whatever they want, including experimenting more. An album of Kajiuran could draw people into Yuki's language rather than driving off everyone who isn't already a fan. However, at this point, Kalafina has enough of a fanbase to worry about audience reaction, but are not famous enough to release any album they want.
Why they don't perform those soundtrack songs live... My exposure to KnK music is mainly through the compilation CDs and the movies themselves, so correct me if I'm wrong (listened to very few of the individual "M+whatever" tracks), but don't lots of those tracks have a lower proportion of vocals (vs. instrumentals) compared to regular Kalafina songs as well as their Japanese lyric versions? For instance, the track from movie 4 is a lot like Aria with the main melody removed. Why would they perform that track as opposed to just performing Aria, especially since Kalafina are a vocal group first and foremost?
Only exception to this is Snow Is Falling vs. Snow Falling, where both are vocal-centric. Kajiuran is probably still a barrier then, hence why they made the Japanese version. Mind you, I think the Kajiuran version is four times better and would love to see it performed in a Kalafina live (though I guess Hikaru would be left with only dramatic hand gestures
), but I'm not holding my breath.
Lorde-Kowz
I have reached Yuki nirvana
I think a kajiurago album would be better if released under Kajiura's name, like Fiction III, or Storytellers ;_;
Well, yeah. If people really want KnK songs performed live, I would rather have a YKLive: Kara no Kyoukai Night (or something like that), with Hanae Tomaru and FictionJunction.
She has a really nice head voice, but I'm not sure if she can hold notes for more than a few seconds.
Well, yeah. If people really want KnK songs performed live, I would rather have a YKLive: Kara no Kyoukai Night (or something like that), with Hanae Tomaru and FictionJunction.
(though I guess Hikaru would be left with only dramatic hand gestures
She has a really nice head voice, but I'm not sure if she can hold notes for more than a few seconds.