「Kalafina Anniversary LIVE 2025」15th January Tokyo Garden Theater (NO KAJIURA INVOLVEMENT)

Sorry if I dragged this issue to light a bit again. I just wanted to air these thoughts.

I am hoping everyone has the success that they desire in their chosen future endeavors.
 
CloisteredFlame said:
OK, if that's the case and she has no power over her songs composed with SC to ban others from using them, we can assume the fans calling for her to ban Kalafina from using her music were uninformed but just eager to have Kajiura take action against the slight on her role as the creator of the group. They assumed she had the kind of power to challenge their taking her name off the promotion of the concert.

The question is, if she actually had the power to ban them, would SC have insisted on her name being stripped from their reunion plans? They would have been wary of her ability to play that game with them. Another question, is would she? Probably, if she could, I suspect she would.
So Kajiura's hands were basically tied.

I wonder if that came up in conversation during the planning stage of the reunion concert, that Kajiura couldn't prevent them from using the music. The question I have is, ""why keep it secret from her if she couldn't stop it from happening?" (assuming @Westkana is 100% correct).

If they included her name, would SC have had to pay her more? I don't think so. 🤔
If they wanted to use her name SC would have to get her permission, so they just decided to bypass all that by not having any contact with her in any way, and getting the girls to do the same. Or did SC approach her earlier and she said no, so they decided to remove her name from everything, and get the girls to follow suit?
If she couldn't stop it from happening, why did the ladies agree to keep it from her? What could she have done? 🤔🤔🤔
If Keiko and Hikaru met with her and asked her that they wanted to reunite with Wakana and do Kalafina could she have convinced them not to do it? I doubt it.


Kalafina fans (though I am one of them) who are less fond of Kajiura (I am not one of those) have continued to have the impression that the ladies were all innocent bystanders in all this, or they were forced, and should face no backlash or "consequences", but that's just (1.) naive and (2.) incorrect.

They made and committed to decisions and chose who, and how, to associate with and not associate with. They couldn't hope to control anyone else's reaction/response (fans or Kajiura) irrespective of any feelings or expectations they had about their decisions and those reactions.
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Since she left SC, rather than doing other moves, before than Keiko and Hikaru, it feels like her original intention was to allow the girls to continue if they wanted. Keiko left almost immediately and Hikaru a bit later, which is why Kalafina stopped ultimately, rather than Kaijura. And Kalafina was the project so people could perform without her, so very likely, the way things were left, she can't stop much. Keiko and Hikaru might have been under NDA's that prevented them from talking to anyone outside of this and that includes Yuki. It might have not been a personal thing, but just a security measure (or maybe she was part of the people not to inform because she might guilt trip the girls out of the idea/who knows) I think YK's reaction to the proposition before it happened could have triggered events that might have slowed or stopped things .
 
Do you guys think Kajiura got paid in a way because of the Kalafina reunion?
Did she get a portion from the ticket sales? How about when Kalafina reunion was viewed or aired on TV??


I mean, it’s her songs you know.
What only striked me is that Satoshi Takebe can directly address and credit Kajiura for her music and arrangements.
Then why didn’t the girls do so?? No mention of Kajiura.
And at the end of the day, whatever terms and condition spacecraft extended to the girls, Keiko and Hikaru accepted or agreed to it. So that hurts me.
 
Lúa said:
it feels like her original intention was to allow the girls to continue if they wanted. Keiko left almost immediately and Hikaru a bit later, which is why Kalafina stopped ultimately, rather than Kaijura.
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I agree.

If Keiko had not maintained her connection to Kajiura, by breaking away from SC and eventually requesting to return to FictionJunction, both she and Hikaru may not have been on stage with Kajiura ever again.

Kajiura was already moving on with her regular YKL (to keep it alive), adding in other singers she has easier access to work with, in place of Wakana and Keiko, while they sorted themselves out, contractually and decision-wise.
Lúa said:
cause she might guilt trip the girls out of the idea/who knows
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It’s not impossible to imagine this. If they had a meeting with her prior to planning for the live, and she expressed any reservations to them, I suspect Keiko would have relented out of respect (or at least have been much more conflicted). I don’t think Hikaru would budge, though.

That means everything hinged on Keiko just like in 2018. Perhaps that’s part of the reason that the silence was necessary, to keep Keiko from backing off if they faced Kajiura early and she didn’t support the reunion idea.

Anyway, my speculations.
 
CloisteredFlame said:
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That means everything hinged on Keiko just like in 2018. Perhaps that’s part of the reason that the silence was necessary, to keep Keiko from backing off if they faced Kajiura early and she didn’t support the reunion idea.

Anyway, my speculations.
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I'm somewhere in between Keiko and Wakana in that sense. Because if Wakana had not stayed in SC then there is a chance that Kalafina could have worked with Yuki. It is a bit sad because I can understand why they chose to do this, but I can also understand that YK's trust has been broken and doesn't want to deal with the idea of whether they are going to hold back more things from her and interfere with her own career.
 
Wakana stayed bwhind probably cause she thought Kajiura was partly the reason of her vocal issues but thats not true as you can see from what was happening before Kalafina debut and after their disbandment. Kajiura both times (1992-2007 and 2019-2025) chose to do very limited lives and work with many different vocalists. So its her Kalafina contract as a producer or whoever was booking those endless small lives and 12-dates tours, that truly made the issue and forced her to write songs only for Kalafina if you exempt FJ.
 
Can you guys please stop with the fanfics. =p
Wakana probably stayed with SpaceCraft because she has always been with SpaceCraft and they did not do her dirty. Breaking (presumably) her contract with SC, having to go independent and/or hope for a new agency to sign her on was likely not a very enticing option.

Lúa said:
I'm somewhere in between Keiko and Wakana in that sense. Because if Wakana had not stayed in SC then there is a chance that Kalafina could have worked with Yuki. It is a bit sad because I can understand why they chose to do this, but I can also understand that YK's trust has been broken and doesn't want to deal with the idea of whether they are going to hold back more things from her and interfere with her own career.
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Someone more knowledgable can correct me if I'm wrong but no, even if Wakana had left SC like the other two and YK, "Kalafina" would've stayed with SpaceCraft. They might've still performed with YK, sure, but not as "Kalafina". And if SpaceCraft reached out to them for a "Kalafina" Anniversary concert, chances are the result would've been the same, lol.

Let's just move on, ya? Everyone's doing great on their own.
 
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grunty said:
They might've still performed with YK, sure, but not as "Kalafina".
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Yeah, that's true.

grunty said:
Let's just move on, ya? Everyone's doing great on their own.
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This thread exists partly for these kinds of musings, yeah? Even if they're only speculative...

At least for those of us that keep having thoughts be triggered by new happenings in Kajiura-space and in the Kala-ladies careers.

The only other thing may be vocal/production analysis of the reunion concert, which we already did to a significant degree.
 
Lúa said:
Keiko and Hikaru might have been under NDA's that prevented them from talking to anyone outside of this and that includes Yuki. It might have not been a personal thing, but just a security measure (or maybe she was part of the people not to inform because she might guilt trip the girls out of the idea/who knows)
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I'm well aware that Keiko and Hikaru most probably weren't allowed to talk to anyone about the content and progress of the negotiations with SC. However something that I always found odd, is that they seemingly never told Kajiura about the fact, they were in talks with SC or that they were about to enter into talks with SC or anything like that. I'm not sure (maybe @Westkana knows more about this) if an NDA can legally ask of you to keep silence about the fact that you're even in negotiations or not. I assume, keeping quiet about it towards Kajiura was a decision that was made voluntarily by K and H. Maybe, as @Lúa suggests, they knew that Kajiura would bring them to end negotiations then and there. They might've also betted on SC wanting to involve Kajiura again from their side (since apparently management has largely changed), and by having SC backing them up, they would have a higher chance of convincing Kajiura to work with SC on Kalafina once again. Of course this is nothing but speculation, but it would sound plausible to me.

Another potentially very important factor here that I keep forgetting is just how insanely non-confrontational Japanese culture is. Keiko and Hikaru were certainly well aware on what Kajiura's feelings about Kalafina and stance towards SC was. Maybe the thought of discussing this issue openly with Yuki was simply too scary to them.
 
grunty said:
Let's just move on, ya? Everyone's doing great on their own.
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I'll never be able to move on from this subject since is something that hurt me deeply. I never listened any songs in repeat so many times as the ones from Kalafina. I even bought almost all their single and CD albums. I went to Mexico for just 3 days to see them live.

Kalafina will be my favorite band forever and even if I know that just reading and speculating about their disbanded won't change a thing, this helps me cope with my feelings... that's why people can't move on, because it's very important to them.

Yes I think that Space Craft didn't want the girls to talk with kajiura because she could say something that would prevent them to do the live. IMO this is more about hurt feelings that anything else, if you think logically even if Kajiura is not involved in any of Kalafina activities but they perform her songs a lot of times, would be copyright money entering her account. My feeling is that Yuki really wanted to Kalafina to return without any Space Craft involvement, but that would be very difficult...
 
For me i have played Kajiura-s pre-Kalafina songs and soundtracks more on repeat than the Kalafina songs but i really like their first 2 albums and singles up until then and select songs after that.

I ve read some info on article on something that says that whatever music you discover when you re 14 ends up being your favourite, and for me its true as i think Kajiura hasnt surpassed herself yet from stuff i heard from her when i waas 14-18 which is all her soundtracks n songs until Pandora Hearts and Red moon more or less. Of course KnK is better than Pandora overall but still holds a special place in my heart .

I thinnk what makes people still discuss Kalafina is that there are many questions still unanswered from all involved parties from disbandment to the recent reunion-just-for-an-anniversary concert, so it makes people speculate about those. Also it doesnt help that Kajiura is taking her time with new music and we get bored here.
 
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Yes it was Taubasa that made me discover it as well. I swear that up until that point my fav musics were Total Annihilation RTS game soundtrack, Age of Empires 1 & 2, CnC Red Alert and Generals musics and the Mermaid Melody songs but Tsubasa was perfection in my ears 😍 so made me dig it more, i found a noir video uploaded by Kerahna and thats how i discovered Cpm as well.
 
juchanx3 said:
I'll never be able to move on from this subject since is something that hurt me deeply.
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Feels bad. I'm genuinely sorry.

juchanx3 said:
I never listened any songs in repeat so many times as the ones from Kalafina. I even bought almost all their single and CD albums. I went to Mexico for just 3 days to see them live.

Kalafina will be my favorite band forever
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And nobody can or will take it away from you. Rejoice. Kalafina lives on in your heart.

juchanx3 said:
and even if I know that just reading and speculating about their disbanded won't change a thing, this helps me cope with my feelings... that's why people can't move on, because it's very important to them.
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Really? Speculating 7+ years later helps you that much? Will having to blame someone hypothetically help you cope? I would argue you might never be satisfied, since the truth might be different and valid for each and every party involved.

I guess I can try to understand - this anniversary opened old wounds, fine... Fingers crossed it gets better for you.

PS. Please have in mind that my posts might be emotionally charged/influenced by other preceding yours, since you just swooped in with your response. :)
 
CloisteredFlame said:
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Is that a plea for me to leave the thread and leave you be? XD
I promise I will. I just don't want it to seem that I left someone hanging without a response or offended.

Whoever is reading, please know that I do not want to take your love (or anyone's love) for Kalafina away or diminish it. It is yours. I wish you luck dealing with your neverending passion and emotions in the current era.

I have the utmost respect for YK, W, K, H for making choices that they thought were right for them at the time (leaving SC, staying with SC, doing reunions, whatever it was). You cannot convince me YK did not consider K a fantastic and valuable live performer - and yet she seemingly chose not to have her back anyways (one could say petty, others could say hurt... or maybe just butthurt, I don't actually care - she still chose to do it knowing how good K is and I respect that). I also have the utmost respect for anyone (J, LL and now EMIKO) joining YK on stage in this post-SC/?post-K era while knowing how fans can be.

I imagine seeing the constant "I miss XYZ", "Where's XYZ?" on official feeds and channels (hopefully not as much here) will be getting me triggered a lot in the near future... I apologize in advance.
 
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