Kalafina 5th Anniversary LIVE SELECTION 2009-2012

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ritardando said:
I have to admit that I'm still refusing to say they're that bad in their live performances, given the fact that a lot of people praised them in their live commentary.
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You all know I used to be a BELIEVER around LIVE#2 DVD and when we first got sucky live performances I did not want to believe they sucked - something had to be wrong with the girls that day, with the venue or the acoustics... but the bad performances would not stop...

The easiest way to check for vocals tinkering in TV airings (if you can't hear it in the first place - I'm not saying I can): if every artist on a single show sounds good, it was probably post-processed to fuck. Simple as that.

We have unedited performances now (TV for Kalafina, streams and bootlegs for FJ; Keiko and Wakana perform in both). The FACT is they have never performed a single group song as well as on officialy released live DVD/CDs. Their vocals (Wakana especially) NEED fixing. It's not just me imagining things.

Sure - we all have different standards. We all have different hearing. We all look for different things in a performance. You may still like it - I do not and I will speak up (when I feel like it).

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I'll also share another thing I noticed on this forum that happened during my kind-of-ragequit.

The vocal discussion thread turned into a fucking seminar on Vocal techniques; a thread full of know-it-alls, teachers and people praising their posts only because they sound "smart" and "professional". What a load of...

I am just a loudmouth calling it how I see/hear it, backing it up with simple examples. If a performance sucks, it sucks. I don't think I have ever pretended to know more about singing (or anything else) than I do. I never really say what should be done to fix their singing, I do not feel qualified to do that.

You can call me a hater, I don't really care. You don't know me.
 
I think grunty grunts for a reason.. and I don't believe you're a hater, on the contrary I think you're trying to comment on how far kalafina or yuki herself for that matter should go to be as good as some people make them out to be. Don't get me wrong I like them just as much as the next cpmer :)
 
@grunty
You have some valid points, but I don't get why you're ragging on those posting in the vocal discussion thread. If you feel you're not qualified to comment on how Kalafina should fix their singing, that's all well and good but why are you so certain the same applies to anyone else? :confu:

I've only just finished listening to disc 1. Hikaru sounds shrill to me a lot of the time, but I was expecting that, particularly from the older live performances...Hope it gets better in disc 2.

Quite pleased with lirica. I'd been looking forward to it. I was a teeny bit disappointed with the lack of "darkwave-y-ness" (I can't think of how else to describe it :uh..: ) in the live arrangement though. But I guess that should have been expected. Everything else about it was pretty good.
 
CruelAngel said:
If you feel you're not qualified to comment on how Kalafina should fix their singing, that's all well and good but why are you so certain the same applies to anyone else? :confu:
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'Cause I'm a huge ass and a skeptic.

What do they have to back their shit up? Have they sang succesfuly in the business for, say, over 10 years? How about they show off their skills? Etc... "My professor used to say (this) and (that)" means nothing in my book - I know nothing of their professors.
 
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ritardando said:
How I miss grunty's sarcasm. It's so refreshing after all those "you're welcomeee", "thank youuuuu", "++++++1", "I'm so happy... :sohappy: "

Please don't kill me.
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I have to second that.
i should download this and listen to the songs already to see what are you guys talking about
 
I have recorded music professionally for over 10 years, and I still don't feel like it gives me the authority to comment on almost anything as if I knew the whole story behind the industry and whatnot, but there you go.
I think as much as you are completely entitled to your own opinion, grunty, we are all entitled to not share it and it doesn't mean we hate you or think you're a hater or whatever. I just don't understand the level of involvement you (and many others, of course) seem to have in this fandom to get so upset because some people who have been in a choir said this or that. I don't think anybody here can give a proper professional opinion on them and their techniques, shortcomings or whatever because most of us haven't really heard them live. And well, if someone is actually giving an opinion in a technical matter you can either believe them or not, and it's ok either way. I don't know, maybe I'm not involved enough in this community to understand all the ~feels~ underneath, so I'm sorry because I'm just talking about what I'm seeing without knowing any of you :ohoho:

Note that I'm not an unconditional lover of any of the music anyone makes, Yuki Kajiura and her singers are no exception, I just like what I hear and appreciate it for what it is and then call it a day and go on with my life. That's just something I felt like I had to clarify before I get accused of being a mindless worshipper and a spammer. Peace out.
 
garnetjester said:
I have recorded music professionally for over 10 years, and I still don't feel like it gives me the authority to comment on almost anything as if I knew the whole story behind the industry and whatnot, but there you go.
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I feel the exact same way except:

garnetjester said:
And well, if someone is actually giving an opinion in a technical matter you can either believe them or not, and it's ok either way. I don't know, maybe I'm not involved enough in this community to understand all the ~feels~ underneath
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unlike you, it bugs me when other people say "smart things" when they can't even back it up - that's how I am IRL. I'm fucked.
 
Oh, I understand now. Yeah, I'm skeptical too but to each their own, I thought some of the basic concepts being shared were interesting from a technical standpoint although I wouldn't necessarily apply it to the girls since I'm not classically trained in singing or anything like that.
 
At least you said what's on your mind, grunty. That's all that matters. :sparkleguy:

Having said that, I haven't listened to any of these songs yet due to umm.... unforseen circumstances. :cry:

"I may not believe in what you say, but at least you get to speak it out."
 
OMG Utsukushisa live is soooooo amazing. Words can't describe how much I love this song in every possible version. Keiko's vibrato in the last stanza is soooo powerful and pretty and Wakana and Hikaru sound amazing too :sohappy:
 
I also LOVE this live version, since the guitar solo is so much better than the CD recording one. In general this realease has some really good guitar solos (progressive, ongaku)
 
I just got my box, the packaging is really pretty! And I was especially disappointed with the oblivious PV, wow, that was really lame and cheap. They could've at least done a montage of live performances or something...
 
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HimeWakana said:
And I was especially disappointed with the oblivious PV
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me too!!
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:uh..: Yes, it's something like as if Sony Japan cheated us.
How many times they saying: it will be a PV Oblivious! But... what is this? Some shitty frames of covers from single oblivious... And why so short?!
Opening for other clips?
:stupidtable: :voodoo: :stupidbox:
 
:uh..: Yes, it's something like as if Sony Japan cheated us.
How many times they saying: it will be a PV Oblivious! But... what is this? Some shitty frames of covers from single oblivious... And why so short?!
Opening for other clips?
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I totally agree with you!!
 
@grunty : Actually what bugs me the most is the fact that your posts give the impression of 'they're bad in performing lives and will always be bad and will never be good'. I agree that Wakana, being the most awesome in most recording version is really lacking in performing lives, and needs vocals fixing more, and it's not because she's sick or she's changing her singing technique or whatever, I accept the fact 'cause Wakana's performance in live vol.7 wasn't good enough.

Hikaru was really bad in their early days, and although she's improved now, she's still the one with the most noticeable off-keys for me.

Keiko has her ups and downs in performing lives. I personally think that Keiko is still the one with better vocal control in performing lives out of the 3 of them, because her performance in live vol.7 bootleg is really good, and she's still not bad in live vol.9. But she has her downs, like her performance in AFA Malaysia.

I actually support your comment 'against' Mwhlr about whether their vocal in live best CD was edited or not. We can compare serenato from the bootleg we had and with the recording, and the edits were really noticeable, especially in Hikaru's part. I'm not saying you're a hater, nor I've said all those members who've left this forum are a hater.

Actually my point against you is, like what I've said before, your posts gave me the impression of 'they're bad and will always be bad'. I'm not saying that those live performance where they're nearly flawless is unedited. I know it's edited as heavy as it could be. At least, what makes me still liking them is the fact that they did sound better after those edits. Some singers/performers are still that bad even after heavy edits, and the only way they can perform better is to lip-syncing. The fact that Kalafina always performing live and not lip-syncing, still give me the hope that they're not that bad, and just need some polishing to make it sounds better, although it's still edits.

I think, like what George and garnetjester have said, the only way to found out is to hear them performing live directly, and we can decide if they're that bad or not. Even if they're bad, I'm still liking them. Well, maybe won't be as much as I do now.
 
What on earth has happened to this thread!? :blood:
I think Kalafina sound relatively good even in the bootleg lives. I think the worst one i've heard is that serenato live that was floating around the net, but the quality was so horrible that it was hard to tell what was going on anyway lol

I just ordered the History 5th book *looks at bank account and cries for a week*
 
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