george1234
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^ plus that Sound Horizon does 1 big tour per year, not several lives spread across the year like Kalafina and FJ. So they kinda save money for these 11 concerts.
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Hatouchan
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Well colour me surprised. I checked a friend's pamphlet and both the percussion and uilleann pipes will be present for the orchard hall performances. Wow. Accordion as well. Basically everyone will be present. Isn't this better than KajiFes? lol. There's strings and no unwanted baggage either *coughemilycough*
The problem with FJ is the lack of activity, coverage or even presence. Nobody knows who they are anymore. Kalafina has stayed in the limelight long enough for people to recognise them (SME/Aniplex pushing them with big shows and all). At this point, most casual listeners just confuse FJ with Kalafina since the members overlap and Kalafina is now the more famous one. I lost count of the number of times people confused stone cold to be Kalafina's song...
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ritardando
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^Agreed on the point regarding FJ. Even so, I'm quite hopeless for FJ. I love them but at the same time I only liked around 25% of their original songs (since their 'debut' with Parallel Hearts). I still think of elemental as the weakest album Kajiura ever made, even more than Kalafina's After Eden.
Enough with my neverending negativity, lol. They definitely have to make a BD for the Orchard Special, just like FJYuuka 2 Days special. If they're mixing all the setlist from the 3 live versions (just like live vol.9) then we'll get quite a lovely setlist.
Enough with my neverending negativity, lol. They definitely have to make a BD for the Orchard Special, just like FJYuuka 2 Days special. If they're mixing all the setlist from the 3 live versions (just like live vol.9) then we'll get quite a lovely setlist.
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rsultan59
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+ also let's not forget the labels. I think Pony Canyon support Revo more than Flying Dog does to YK, and I wonder why Kajiura-san haven't moved to SME. Let's not say SNK songs are OVERRATED. I think the main reason for their popularity is that Revo made them for SNK. You can see that in the lyrics.
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Seasonreaper
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Presumably she hasn't moved to SMEJ because they've got a pretty bad rep when it comes to artist freedom, as she likely knows from Kalafina. She probably doesn't like them very much.
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Hatouchan
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^Kalafina wouldn't have gotten nearly as big as they are today without the backing of the SME/Aniplex shows. Kalafina not getting any musical freedom under SME? I think that comes with the territory of being a tie up song. You have to adhere to the requests of the directors, etc. It's not like she has never been given freedom with Kalafina before. From what are you concluding that she doesn't like SME, or that SME is restricting her musical freedom.
Does it matter? It is overrated, even if it was written for SnK. What kind of support do you think that Pony Canyon is giving Revo that Kajiura isn't getting from FlyingDog?
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rsultan59
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If you believe that SNK songs were overrated cuz they are releted to SNK, then why didn't the same thing happen to the EDs? We all know that Revo is a good composer and lyricist (maybe not good singer) and he knows how to make an addictive songs at least for TV size. Now about what Pony Canyon provide for Revo. If you knew that his last album Nein was done by more than 140 (musicians, singers, voice actors and narrators). Thus I don't believe he have done this without good support from P C.
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george1234
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No way they are this many. It probably refers to all the staff used
http://sh-whitecrow.com/2015/03/singers-and-musicians-in-9th-story-nein-announced/
singers are 17 along with Revo, VAs 5, narrators 2, musicians 14, and the instrument units shouldnt be more than 8 people each, chorus I dont know but nothing huge.
http://sh-whitecrow.com/2015/03/singers-and-musicians-in-9th-story-nein-announced/
singers are 17 along with Revo, VAs 5, narrators 2, musicians 14, and the instrument units shouldnt be more than 8 people each, chorus I dont know but nothing huge.
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rsultan59
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Even
(9th Story CD『Nein』には、第1弾で発表したアーティストも含め、
総勢145名の豪華アーティストが参加致します！発売をどうぞお楽しみに！！)
Anyway it still huge number of participants without the staff.
Even though numbers aren't our main subject, but you can check the 10th Anni site to know the right number which is 145.
(9th Story CD『Nein』には、第1弾で発表したアーティストも含め、
総勢145名の豪華アーティストが参加致します！発売をどうぞお楽しみに！！)
Anyway it still huge number of participants without the staff.
grunty
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Rude. :P
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ritardando
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I said they're overrated because people were like "omg the song is so great" "so epic" while tbh Revo has composed much better songs than that loud blaring musics that are his SnK songs :p
Anyway, the number of musicians involved isn't equal to recording label's support. So far Kajiura's songs (for her "pop" project, not for soundtrack) don't need that much musicians and singers since she tended to stick to those she trusted already. And it's not fair to compare SH with, let's say Kalafina or FJ. Both Kalafina and FJ only have 3 and 4 main vocalists respectively, so even in that aspect Kajiura is already outnumbered not to count the VA and narrators :p it's different story altogether when it comes to soundtrack but we're not talking about that here.
Anyway, the number of musicians involved isn't equal to recording label's support. So far Kajiura's songs (for her "pop" project, not for soundtrack) don't need that much musicians and singers since she tended to stick to those she trusted already. And it's not fair to compare SH with, let's say Kalafina or FJ. Both Kalafina and FJ only have 3 and 4 main vocalists respectively, so even in that aspect Kajiura is already outnumbered not to count the VA and narrators :p it's different story altogether when it comes to soundtrack but we're not talking about that here.
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rsultan59
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I agree with you especially about the first point. Indeed SNK songs aren't his best works, but he got what he wants from them ( popularity and sales ).
Let's agree that labels are different. You can't say that working with SME is like working with Flying Dog! I mentioned the number because you know that fan service album like "Nein" will sell for fans mostly, not new comes ( and that's true ). Therfore, putting much efforts in such product needs trust from the label.
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Hatouchan
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You say it like the lives that Kajiura gets to do is all that common. I have felt nothing but a lot of love from the staff that let her do her lives and let her put out her live albums. And yes, FlyingDog is involved in those.
Actually, is it common? Doesn't feel that way.
Honestly, it just feels like they produce all that because they love her music, and not so much because it is earning big bucks. I mean.. the stellar sales numbers for the latest live album justifies the releases right? /s
george1234
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Of course flying Dog is involved since FJ is in it, but the interesting is that Aniplex helps, so she can do her Sony works too
[Sponsored] Spacecraft Produce / Kyodo Tokyo
[Performance] Flying Dog
[Cooperation] Aniplex
[Sponsored] Spacecraft Produce / Kyodo Tokyo
[Performance] Flying Dog
[Cooperation] Aniplex
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rsultan59
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I didn't talk about labels and support topic because I don't like FlyingDog or something like that. I just hope that she get everything she need to deliver her beautiful music in the best way. Doesn't Kajiura-san deserve Strings Section?
On the other hand I like the way Sony push Kalafina by advertising their products and by showing them in different events (except the fact that their youtube channel Isn't worldwide
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Kugayama
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@rsultan59 - I get the impression that Keiichi Nozaki (Flying Dog president) and Mori Yasunori (Yuki Kajiura's manager) still very much do what they do because they love the music and the people that they work with. Both of them accompanied Kalafina to Japan Expo in Paris, as you can see from the photos.
Yuki Kajiura doesn't seem to have had any problems getting the best musicians and production staff for her projects. If and when she wants to do something orchestrated, I'm sure that the right people would be found to make it great.
(Mind you, I have been critical of the lack of proper blu-ray menus for YK Live vol. #9.)
Yuki Kajiura doesn't seem to have had any problems getting the best musicians and production staff for her projects. If and when she wants to do something orchestrated, I'm sure that the right people would be found to make it great.
(Mind you, I have been critical of the lack of proper blu-ray menus for YK Live vol. #9.)
george1234
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^ Well the BD menu has nothing to do with the quality of the concerts or how much money they spend on it, since BD production is a separate budget.
I agree that if she wanted she could get as many musicians as needed. She herself said that she didnt hire percussionist for the lives till now because she knew there will be no way back, as in that she will like him play alot and will keep hiring him. Also there's the issue that the audience, if you present it with many musicians + strings, if in the next live their have less instruments they will start complaining. Maybe that's why she adds new musicians slowly... First FJ only, then guests vocalists, different each time, and now she even has 2 permanent in the japanese-sealed. Same for the instruments. First it was guest flute, then guest accordion and cello and now we get uillean pipes and percussion, and permanent flute too, as well as strings, only in 2 lives for now :D Orchestra will be next year
I agree that if she wanted she could get as many musicians as needed. She herself said that she didnt hire percussionist for the lives till now because she knew there will be no way back, as in that she will like him play alot and will keep hiring him. Also there's the issue that the audience, if you present it with many musicians + strings, if in the next live their have less instruments they will start complaining. Maybe that's why she adds new musicians slowly... First FJ only, then guests vocalists, different each time, and now she even has 2 permanent in the japanese-sealed. Same for the instruments. First it was guest flute, then guest accordion and cello and now we get uillean pipes and percussion, and permanent flute too, as well as strings, only in 2 lives for now :D Orchestra will be next year
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rsultan59
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We hope so. YK Live "Orchestra Special"
It will be amazing!. BTW I'm sure some of you watched "Revo Linked Bravely Default Concert". It has Orchestra! I wish for something like that in YK live. It's hard for YK Live only, but what if iy was collaboration with Aniplex, Type-moon, or something like that! I mean like celebration for their projects.
It will be amazing!. BTW I'm sure some of you watched "Revo Linked Bravely Default Concert". It has Orchestra! I wish for something like that in YK live. It's hard for YK Live only, but what if iy was collaboration with Aniplex, Type-moon, or something like that! I mean like celebration for their projects.
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george1234
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^ Ι had no idea! I love that game and Revo's mucis for it so I will look for it :D
found some of it here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwrk9My0shmH4AcTULfd1A/videos
found some of it here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwrk9My0shmH4AcTULfd1A/videos
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