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Alphard Sokaina
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But isn't their management from Sony?
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ZoaKaizer
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Kalafina themeselves already said they are not an Idol...
I also dont want them to be one
and i hate sony if the Kalafina as such
I also dont want them to be one
and i hate sony if the Kalafina as such
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Alphard Sokaina
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Kalafina may say whatever they want. It's not them who make the final decision. 
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Yuki88
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Their management agency is Space Craft Entertainment. Sony Music is their record label.
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ritardando
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Yup. It seems that Kala is their main source of money so they use Kala more and more and more
Yup. It seems that Kala is their main source of money so they use Kala more and more and more
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Yuki88
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Well, since Kajiura is their producer, She must have some level of authority in deciding as well.
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ZoaKaizer
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I have faith in Yuki 
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ritardando
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ninetales
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Good point. Thinking about it again, I'm starting to think that a video would probably not do much good - it's bound to just be seen as a copyright infringement, not as any sort of legitimate concern.
I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about the industry, but I can't help but think that Sony has to at least approve the amount of lives and events that Kala does. After all, the songs performed during those lives and events are technically Sony songs, being under their record label.
If Space Craft does indeed have more control over what Kala does, perhaps it'd be more logical to get in touch with them, especially since they're bound to be smaller than Sony in terms of bureaucracy.
And coincidentally, I'm pretty sure I know what your "stance" is on Wakana, but I don't think that matters in this case. Whether or not you believe she can sing, the fact remains that she's gotten worse over time. All that's needed to point it out is watching an older performance followed by a newer one.
To be honest...I don't know how much influence Kajiura-sensei has over their activities, but something tells me it's not much. She's a "general producer" for their CDs; she writes the music and lyrics; and she arranges the songs and performs in them sometimes. Her involvement seems to be limited to the studio itself, which is a pretty small part of Kala activities as of right now, so...something tells me she can't really affect the amount of lives and events they do.
Keiri said:Hmm... If this was done under the CPM name, I'm kinda worried it would bring the relevant authorities' attention to this site, probably for undesirable reasons. The rest of the public wouldn't know since it would be a private mail and all, and I highly doubt the authorities would do something as rash as lodging a complaint against us but still...
Good point. Thinking about it again, I'm starting to think that a video would probably not do much good - it's bound to just be seen as a copyright infringement, not as any sort of legitimate concern.
grunty said:
I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about the industry, but I can't help but think that Sony has to at least approve the amount of lives and events that Kala does. After all, the songs performed during those lives and events are technically Sony songs, being under their record label.
If Space Craft does indeed have more control over what Kala does, perhaps it'd be more logical to get in touch with them, especially since they're bound to be smaller than Sony in terms of bureaucracy.
And coincidentally, I'm pretty sure I know what your "stance" is on Wakana, but I don't think that matters in this case. Whether or not you believe she can sing, the fact remains that she's gotten worse over time. All that's needed to point it out is watching an older performance followed by a newer one.
ZoaKaizer said:I have faith in Yuki
To be honest...I don't know how much influence Kajiura-sensei has over their activities, but something tells me it's not much. She's a "general producer" for their CDs; she writes the music and lyrics; and she arranges the songs and performs in them sometimes. Her involvement seems to be limited to the studio itself, which is a pretty small part of Kala activities as of right now, so...something tells me she can't really affect the amount of lives and events they do.
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Martin
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If I was confident that it would make a difference, I'd send a letter or e-mail in a heartbeat; I'm ok with admitting this in a forum with people who share my feelings on the matter: I genuinely care about the welfare of artists I admire. Unfortunately, I don't think it's a good idea for me to do so.
Although people who are far more knowledgable than I am have put some very solid and thoughtful ideas out here, but it's still strictly speaking speculation until Wakana herself or her PR state otherwise. I don't doubt you guys at all, but an overseas fan asking about something like this might seem...odd. 'Out-of-turn' might be the best phrase to use here?
I guess I'm not comfortable in discussing a very sensitive subject with someone who doesn't share my first language - the chance of misunderstandings, and additional upset/distress that may result, are too high: when there's a language barrier there's also a risk of genuine concern coming across as criticism or worse. If we're right and she's suffering from health issues, the last thing I'd want is poor Wakana being worried about fans criticising her on top of everything else, just because some well-intentioned statement is 'lost in translation'.
In short: as frustrating as it is, I'm going to have to wait for official confirmation. At that point it would be perfectly all right to make public shows of concern and support that won't be misconstrued as something else.
Just out of interest, has anyone seen similar threads to this one on Japanese-language discussion boards? I know this is probably in a bit of a niche, but I'd expect 2ch to be all over a story like this (given the reputation it has for occasionally tactless, unsympathetic fans though, maybe it's for the best that this hasn't happened).
Although people who are far more knowledgable than I am have put some very solid and thoughtful ideas out here, but it's still strictly speaking speculation until Wakana herself or her PR state otherwise. I don't doubt you guys at all, but an overseas fan asking about something like this might seem...odd. 'Out-of-turn' might be the best phrase to use here?
I guess I'm not comfortable in discussing a very sensitive subject with someone who doesn't share my first language - the chance of misunderstandings, and additional upset/distress that may result, are too high: when there's a language barrier there's also a risk of genuine concern coming across as criticism or worse. If we're right and she's suffering from health issues, the last thing I'd want is poor Wakana being worried about fans criticising her on top of everything else, just because some well-intentioned statement is 'lost in translation'.
In short: as frustrating as it is, I'm going to have to wait for official confirmation. At that point it would be perfectly all right to make public shows of concern and support that won't be misconstrued as something else.
Just out of interest, has anyone seen similar threads to this one on Japanese-language discussion boards? I know this is probably in a bit of a niche, but I'd expect 2ch to be all over a story like this (given the reputation it has for occasionally tactless, unsympathetic fans though, maybe it's for the best that this hasn't happened).
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ritardando
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Going with you on waiting for the official confirmation..
Going with you on waiting for the official confirmation..
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aero.senpai
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Yeah, I agree. I don't think Yuki has much (or even any) influence in the amount of events that the girls are assigned to. Even if she tells people from Space Craft/Sony that she is concerned about the girls exaustive routine, probably they would just tell her everything is alright, and there's no need to worry, etc. I don't think they would really care about them that much, unless Kala is really one of their top sellers.
Call me pessimistic, but I fear that may never come - even if she really has some serious problem.
ritardando said:
Call me pessimistic, but I fear that may never come - even if she really has some serious problem.
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Special_K
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THAT.
Call it the domino effect, if you will. But there are MANY things in this world that needs just that little push to get things going. I'm not outright saying that this is one of them; but it may well be so.
aero.senpai said:
THAT.
Call it the domino effect, if you will. But there are MANY things in this world that needs just that little push to get things going. I'm not outright saying that this is one of them; but it may well be so.
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ninetales
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@Martin: I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I also think that if nothing's been said so far, then by the time an announcement does come, it could be too late. Take the case of Matsui Jurina from SKE48: she was overworking herself for months and has recently landed in the hospital with exhaustion and anemia because she wouldn't listen to management's warnings to pace herself. (Plus management wouldn't sit her down and actually force her to rest.) If Wakana has a similar dedication to Kala, then for all we know she might be forcing herself to continue - and that might lead to some sort of permanent damage to Kala or to Wakana herself.
It's such a tough decision to make
It's such a tough decision to make
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KP-X
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You guys do know that the Japanese industry is a very cruel and harsh one, so I think she'll keep struggling like this forever. It doesn't hurt to send a message to Sony/whatever if you feel like it though.
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ninetales
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^ I think there's only a 50% chance of that, to be honest. Call me naive, but if Vis-Kei bands, which make up a pretty large amount of Japanese music nowadays and are by no means particularly "indie" anymore, can send their vocalists in for surgery, then it seems logical to me that Kala, which despite having Kajiura-sensei and Sony behind it still isn't overwhelmingly popular, can do the same.
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KP-X
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Let's change the forever for until she manages to continue like this. Which, to be honest, shouldn't be that far away, since they have been performing like crazy lately and to top it off she got TTB as a gift (and it is a kinda tricky song, especially considering her current state).
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aero.senpai
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Special_K said:aero.senpai said:
THAT.
Call it the domino effect, if you will. But there are MANY things in this world that needs just that little push to get things going. I'm not outright saying that this is one of them; but it may well be so.
^If we could just figure the best way to do that little push and see if it gets things going...
ninetales said:It's such a tough decision to make
What decision, Niney? Of Wakana to take a break? If I were Wakana in this situation, I would have searched for a specialist already, and the label/management could cancel my contract, sue me, cut my head off, whatever; it would be my health on the line. Yes, I do understand the japanese sense of putting the group over the individual, but if Wakana would have some serious injury or sequel (may God forbid), then 1: she couldn't be no longer part of the group she struggled for, and 2: she could lose not only her job tool, but also her dream of being a singer.
KP-X said:
Yeah, I don't think she'll be able to hold it up for many longer.
(Sorry everyone if I'm starting to seem rude and angry, I'm just not good with words anyway)
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ninetales
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^ No, I was talking about whether or not to actually take any action ourselves. Sorry, I realize that was pretty vague 
It's like Martin says - having overseas fans "sticking their nose" into the situation, so to speak, might be seen as something insulting or ignorant. But then again, like K says, there are some situations that need a simple push to change them, and this might be one of those situations.
So the questions are: Do we do something drastic, like a petition? Do we just email Space Craft, Sony, or Kajiura-sensei? Or do we sit back and see what happens?
It's like Martin says - having overseas fans "sticking their nose" into the situation, so to speak, might be seen as something insulting or ignorant. But then again, like K says, there are some situations that need a simple push to change them, and this might be one of those situations.
So the questions are: Do we do something drastic, like a petition? Do we just email Space Craft, Sony, or Kajiura-sensei? Or do we sit back and see what happens?