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WakanaIsFreakingGod
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ritardando
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Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Ashita no Keshiki and Utsukushisa.
+1 to your wish, Kowz.
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Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Ashita no Keshiki and Utsukushisa.
+1 to your wish, Kowz.
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casarina26
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Completely forgot about ARIA. I'll love to see it live in the DVD. Too bad we can't. Hopefully next time, especially since next album will consist of Alleluia. 
And honestly, if they could forget Yane, Sapphire, Lirica and the like, I don't dare hope for Ashita no Keshiki, much as I love the song and would kill to see it performed live.
The scoresheet and lyrics are probably lying somewhere in the dungeons of Sony's Headquarters. 
And honestly, if they could forget Yane, Sapphire, Lirica and the like, I don't dare hope for Ashita no Keshiki, much as I love the song and would kill to see it performed live.
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Lord Starfish
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I take offense to that tiny bit. Though to be fair I would probably also leave out that song for... something that wasn't already present on both their previous concert DVD-releases. And while I'm not a huge fan of Yane no Mukou ni myself, I do think it's a bit stupid how that seems to be the only post-After Eden song that didn't make it on here...ritardando said:
LianaIlia36
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Re: Kalafina LIVE TOUR 2013 “Consolation” Special Final's DV
I love I have a dream and was kind of hoping for them to sing it at ACen, since it was for Time of Eve, but oh well, it was still awesome. And Utsukushisa would be awesome as well. There are too many now! They should just do all songs in one concert... which would be pretty long so there would need to be breaks of course.
I love I have a dream and was kind of hoping for them to sing it at ACen, since it was for Time of Eve, but oh well, it was still awesome. And Utsukushisa would be awesome as well. There are too many now! They should just do all songs in one concert... which would be pretty long so there would need to be breaks of course.
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Coral
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It's a good thing they've got live flute, cello, and accordion. Makes it a nice touch compared to previous DVDs. And I'm glad they're performing the alternative version of Magia--keeps things fresh.
But argh, that setlist... Not a single old song without video was included--not even Serenato, which I had hope for since they performed it for nearly half the tour concerts. And worse--no Yane. *sigh*
I'm with Kowz: for live flute, I would've hoped to see Ashita no Keshiki or I Have a Dream.
Kyrie, Red Moon, and Ongaku are overperformed, especially considering they aren't even singles (something like Magia, I understand). Don't get me wrong--I really like the previous recordings of Red Moon, and I suspect I can like Kyrie and Ongaku again after I take a break from them. But it pains me to see them take up limited DVD slots.
But heh, despite all my grumbling, I'm definitely getting the bluray when it comes out. I'd love to hear the Consolation songs performed--I bet Hikaru will have improved upon her Signal performance since ACEN.
But argh, that setlist... Not a single old song without video was included--not even Serenato, which I had hope for since they performed it for nearly half the tour concerts. And worse--no Yane. *sigh*
I'm with Kowz: for live flute, I would've hoped to see Ashita no Keshiki or I Have a Dream.
Kyrie, Red Moon, and Ongaku are overperformed, especially considering they aren't even singles (something like Magia, I understand). Don't get me wrong--I really like the previous recordings of Red Moon, and I suspect I can like Kyrie and Ongaku again after I take a break from them. But it pains me to see them take up limited DVD slots.
But heh, despite all my grumbling, I'm definitely getting the bluray when it comes out. I'd love to hear the Consolation songs performed--I bet Hikaru will have improved upon her Signal performance since ACEN.
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Cerise
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Maybe it's because Yane is hard for them to sing? With Wakana's layered bits...? (even though I think Hikaru would be able to take them)
or maybe from previous performances the crowd just didn't show enough response/interest so they thought it would be a 'boring' song to sing live?
or maybe from previous performances the crowd just didn't show enough response/interest so they thought it would be a 'boring' song to sing live?
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ritardando
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@Lord Starfish : I'll be honest, I never really liked red moon because of those reasons I've stated before. Sorry if I offended you and all red moon fans here. red moon is one of the -kickable- songs from the setlist for me, because they have a cellist there. It'd be better if they perform songs that use cello more, and Kimi ga Hikari/ARIA both use cello and quite popular. What I cannot fathom is red moon was none in all over their tour and then made its way to special final setlist. 
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garnetjester
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I think it could be because Red Moon conveys the "Kalafina" image very well according to Yuki and the girls. That might be part of the reason why we won't get a DVD without Ongaku and kyrie. They aren't thinking only of us die hard fans who would kill for a recording of a live performance of obscure B-sides or album songs, but of the casual fans who like the gothic lolita vibe they've seen in the group and want to know more about them.
Well, that's what I think at least, but it makes me sad because I thought I'd finally be able to watch Serenato
Well, that's what I think at least, but it makes me sad because I thought I'd finally be able to watch Serenato
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Coral
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^Agreed, Red Moon really typifies Kalafina's musical style and image. But I'm totally fine with kicking it out, though I'd probably kick out Kyrie first.
Having a few songs that never leave the setlist isn't unique to Kalafina. What's more strange is how Ongaku and Kyrie are among the eternally present, while singles like Lacrimosa, Aria, Sprinter, and Kagayaku aren't. But heh, I'm almost grateful those aren't overperformed--I suspect I wouldn't enjoy those songs as much if they were. Ah, how I once loved Kyrie...
@Cerise
I thought the same thing, that Wakana's layered vocals might be difficult to replicate live. At the same time, I want to see it live to know how they'd handle it. I'm hoping Hikaru would take the end of the lower phrase like she does in Adore.
Having a few songs that never leave the setlist isn't unique to Kalafina. What's more strange is how Ongaku and Kyrie are among the eternally present, while singles like Lacrimosa, Aria, Sprinter, and Kagayaku aren't. But heh, I'm almost grateful those aren't overperformed--I suspect I wouldn't enjoy those songs as much if they were. Ah, how I once loved Kyrie...
@Cerise
I thought the same thing, that Wakana's layered vocals might be difficult to replicate live. At the same time, I want to see it live to know how they'd handle it. I'm hoping Hikaru would take the end of the lower phrase like she does in Adore.
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Lord Starfish
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Yeah, that's how I always felt too. I mean, it's not my favorite Kalafina-song, (that would be Seventh Heaven... which incidentally totally needs more live performances as well. I would really like to have a performance where the video isn't showing attempted murder in the background during the most emotional parts) but I do feel it's the song that best examplifies why I like their music so much. Though I will admit the instrumental interlude is kind of overlong.Coral said:
Nah, don't worry, I was kind of exaggerating. I don't actually take offense to something as trivial as someone not agreeing with my opinion on a song... Well, unless they were to make a bunch of completely unjustified and blatantly incorrect accusations as to why something I absolutely love would be the worst thing ever. But it's not like you went that far.ritardando said:
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ritardando
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@garnetjester : Well said. I remember Kajiura and Kalafina themselves said that some songs like red moon, Kyrie, and magnolia are the perfect examples of what Kalafina music originally is. Maybe those songs are the ones that the crowd there prefer to watch over and over again. Ongaku, on the other hand are the 'festival' song of Kalafina, like zodiacal sign for FJ. While I'm not a big fan of that song, the live versions are always 'pumping' and showed all of them having fun. Not only the Kala girls, but the FBM also.
But here's my opinion. I know that the crowds there love those songs. But haven't they consider that people wants to buy the DVD because we want to see songs that they haven't seen the live performance before? With this one, there'll be 3 Kalafina live DVDs/BDs, not to mention those AniUta, LisAni, Type Moon fes, and the DVD from seventh heaven, red moon, and progressive. Iirc, red moon live DVD sell more than their After Eden. For me, that's because we've got to see more songs that we haven't see the live performance before (ie. Natsu no Ringo, fairytale, sapphire) and the red moon album contents itself. While the album sell a lot more than Red Moon, After Eden live DVD still sell less than the Red Moon one. I did not buy the After Eden live DVD because After Eden songs aren't that impressive and other than the After Eden songs, we only get songs that they've performed on their live DVD before.
While Consolation new songs are really good, I personally think that the live DVD will be a lot more interesting and attract more buyer if they put songs that they haven't performed on their live DVDs before.
Sorry for ranting.
But here's my opinion. I know that the crowds there love those songs. But haven't they consider that people wants to buy the DVD because we want to see songs that they haven't seen the live performance before? With this one, there'll be 3 Kalafina live DVDs/BDs, not to mention those AniUta, LisAni, Type Moon fes, and the DVD from seventh heaven, red moon, and progressive. Iirc, red moon live DVD sell more than their After Eden. For me, that's because we've got to see more songs that we haven't see the live performance before (ie. Natsu no Ringo, fairytale, sapphire) and the red moon album contents itself. While the album sell a lot more than Red Moon, After Eden live DVD still sell less than the Red Moon one. I did not buy the After Eden live DVD because After Eden songs aren't that impressive and other than the After Eden songs, we only get songs that they've performed on their live DVD before.
While Consolation new songs are really good, I personally think that the live DVD will be a lot more interesting and attract more buyer if they put songs that they haven't performed on their live DVDs before.
Sorry for ranting.
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I think so as well, if the DVD had new consolation songs + unreleased on DVD ones lot more people would buy it.
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I think so as well, if the DVD had new consolation songs + unreleased on DVD ones lot more people would buy it.
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Kirito
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Give me Utsukushisa, Ashita no Keshiki, serenato, Yane no Mukou ni, gloria and lirica live and I'm on board instantly. Heck, I'll buy 4 copies just to show my support.
Other songs on my wishlist include Kimi ga Hikari ni Kaete yuku, seventh heaven and interlude #02.
But alas, we don't have any of them (at least we heard a few in their 5th anniversary CD). I'll gladly ditch Mune no Yukue, Magia, magnolia and destination unknown for them.
Really, just any After Eden song except for Symphonia and Eden. At least they don't perform Lacrimosa anymore.
Other songs on my wishlist include Kimi ga Hikari ni Kaete yuku, seventh heaven and interlude #02.
But alas, we don't have any of them (at least we heard a few in their 5th anniversary CD). I'll gladly ditch Mune no Yukue, Magia, magnolia and destination unknown for them.
Really, just any After Eden song except for Symphonia and Eden. At least they don't perform Lacrimosa anymore.
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Seasonreaper
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May as well make my first post on this topic.
I've been expecting them to release a Consolation BD/DVD really, so good to see they're doing just that. Very much interested in seeing the Consolation songs live, especially Hanataba, Signal and Obbligato. Will be nice to see Moonfesta too.
Still, the lack of Lirica, Utsukushisa and Sandpiper is something I don't particularly care for. I'd switch out Mune no Yokue as I've never really liked it, same with Mirai and Hikari Furu.
Regardless, I'll be getting a copy of it on BD. Wonder if/what the preorder bonus is.
I've been expecting them to release a Consolation BD/DVD really, so good to see they're doing just that. Very much interested in seeing the Consolation songs live, especially Hanataba, Signal and Obbligato. Will be nice to see Moonfesta too.
Still, the lack of Lirica, Utsukushisa and Sandpiper is something I don't particularly care for. I'd switch out Mune no Yokue as I've never really liked it, same with Mirai and Hikari Furu.
Regardless, I'll be getting a copy of it on BD. Wonder if/what the preorder bonus is.
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Kagaribi no Hanabira
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Just my opinion. For me, I love many songs that haven't been released as live performance. (Ashita no Keshiki is my fav. song in the first album and Utsukushisa is my all-time favourite b-side.) But none of their live singing released in their 5 anni cd is impressed me...=______=".
I think that I haven't heard the live singing of Yane no Mukou ni but Utsukushisa, Ashita no Keshiki, Serenato, Gloria or Lirica in 5th anni cd...some of them may be not that bad, but they don't make me feel like 'Omg...they're so amazing... I really really want to have these live performances in the next DVD'.
Besides, if some songs have gone from the regular setlist for a very long time. It's hard to expect that they will put it in the final setlist and make it into the DVD, right...? If they're not very popular song that they should put them in the setlist (eg. Magia, TTB, Hikari Furu etc.), they should choose the songs that they are more familiar with to ensure that they'll perform it well in the recording.
I didn't mean that they should keep on the same setlist that they are already good at to release the DVD, but I just say that if they really want to put those unreleased songs in the DVD, we should already got some of them from the previous setlist in the tour, not only once or twice but should be...at some extent...
I think that I haven't heard the live singing of Yane no Mukou ni but Utsukushisa, Ashita no Keshiki, Serenato, Gloria or Lirica in 5th anni cd...some of them may be not that bad, but they don't make me feel like 'Omg...they're so amazing... I really really want to have these live performances in the next DVD'.
Besides, if some songs have gone from the regular setlist for a very long time. It's hard to expect that they will put it in the final setlist and make it into the DVD, right...? If they're not very popular song that they should put them in the setlist (eg. Magia, TTB, Hikari Furu etc.), they should choose the songs that they are more familiar with to ensure that they'll perform it well in the recording.
I didn't mean that they should keep on the same setlist that they are already good at to release the DVD, but I just say that if they really want to put those unreleased songs in the DVD, we should already got some of them from the previous setlist in the tour, not only once or twice but should be...at some extent...
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ritardando
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Excuse for me for I'm gonna start b*tching again.
My response for the post above :
Have you ever considered that people wants to buy the DVD for the sake of viewing pleasure? It's not like I won't pay attention to the vocal as well, but when I watch any live DVD from any artists, what attracts me the most is how the singer's expression on the stage, or how well they convey the emotion of a song? That satisfied feeling when you watch your favorite artists live? Yeah, for me that's the purpose of the live DVD. I know their performance in their live best CD isn't that great but it's not bad either. After I heard serenato live, which drumming is extremely awesome courtesy of Nozaki, I actually really want to see it live. How the girls portray the songs by performing it live.
Actually what I'm trying to say in my previous post is, it's okay for them to perform that same songs over and over again, but for a concert that's going to make it to a DVD, they really should consider some people who just knew Kalafina now, and haven't got the chance to watch their old live performance. It's applied not to only the Japanese viewer, but to international viewer as well for a DVD/BD is distributed worldwide. With Kalafina's growing popularity, there must be some people that just into Kalafina recently. And usually, when people got into an artist, they'll search for the old songs from that artist as well and ofc they're gonna wondering, what's the live performance of that artist gonna be, both for hearing and viewing pleasure.
So I'm entitled to my opinion that for a DVD setlist, they should consider putting more songs they haven't performed in a live DVD before, and not the same crowd's taste over and over. For me, signal, obbligato (and consolation although I'm not a big fans of that song) is actually enough to be a crowd's attention grabber. And in marketable side, it actually makes people more excited to buy the live DVD, especially their fans outside Japan.
My response for the post above :
Have you ever considered that people wants to buy the DVD for the sake of viewing pleasure? It's not like I won't pay attention to the vocal as well, but when I watch any live DVD from any artists, what attracts me the most is how the singer's expression on the stage, or how well they convey the emotion of a song? That satisfied feeling when you watch your favorite artists live? Yeah, for me that's the purpose of the live DVD. I know their performance in their live best CD isn't that great but it's not bad either. After I heard serenato live, which drumming is extremely awesome courtesy of Nozaki, I actually really want to see it live. How the girls portray the songs by performing it live.
Actually what I'm trying to say in my previous post is, it's okay for them to perform that same songs over and over again, but for a concert that's going to make it to a DVD, they really should consider some people who just knew Kalafina now, and haven't got the chance to watch their old live performance. It's applied not to only the Japanese viewer, but to international viewer as well for a DVD/BD is distributed worldwide. With Kalafina's growing popularity, there must be some people that just into Kalafina recently. And usually, when people got into an artist, they'll search for the old songs from that artist as well and ofc they're gonna wondering, what's the live performance of that artist gonna be, both for hearing and viewing pleasure.
So I'm entitled to my opinion that for a DVD setlist, they should consider putting more songs they haven't performed in a live DVD before, and not the same crowd's taste over and over. For me, signal, obbligato (and consolation although I'm not a big fans of that song) is actually enough to be a crowd's attention grabber. And in marketable side, it actually makes people more excited to buy the live DVD, especially their fans outside Japan.
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Coral
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THIS. I understand why they'd perform, say, Ongaku all the time, after seeing how it got the crowd going at ACEN. But for a DVD release, I wish they'd chosen more lesser-performed songs. What's more infuriating is how even the unreleased Consolation tour dates had a better setlist--Serenato was there half the time and somehow it doesn't make it to the DVD!
Dunno if it will increase sales, but it certainly won't hurt. I doubt too many people will cancel their preorders because they can't hear the umpteenth performance of Kyrie.
@Kagaribi
Pretty much disagree regarding the Live CD. Some of the sound quality in the first CD was a bit iffy, but I enjoyed the performances themselves. I love Serenato live as much as I do the studio--which has been my favourite Kalafina song since day one. Same goes for Utsukushisa and Lirica.
Gloria, Ashita no Keshiki, and Interlude 01 don't sound as "perfect" as their studio versions (Hikaru pushing too hard, Wakana's long note falling short of the studio version, and Keiko's sorta odd staccato, respectively). However, it was still interesting to hear the live versions, and they bring a kind of raw energy that's not present in studio recordings. 'course, just my opinion, we can agree to disagree.
Heh, ironically, in writing this, I've kinda convinced myself it's okay if there's no live video. I'm quite pleased with the Live CD recordings, and I listen to them a lot more than I watch Red Moon/After Eden DVDs since I can put them on in the background instead of committing to ~2 hours of video.
However, I do wish to ask: would you prefer the alternative to live videos of these songs? Even if you didn't love Serenato live the way I did, would you prefer another video of Kyrie/Ongaku/Red Moon instead?
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ritardando
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwsWru8d8VY[/youtube]
A piece of recording from Kalafina Consolation concert. Is it the special final?
Man, how I hate Hikaru's "hakanasugite" in Hikarifuru. She always pushed her voice too hard in that part
destination unknown isn't that good either. I've never liked the live version of this song, though.
Extra notes of mine : The drumming is as dull as ever.
A piece of recording from Kalafina Consolation concert. Is it the special final?
Man, how I hate Hikaru's "hakanasugite" in Hikarifuru. She always pushed her voice too hard in that part
destination unknown isn't that good either. I've never liked the live version of this song, though.
Extra notes of mine : The drumming is as dull as ever.