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Yui Makino
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...grunty i kinda feel like you're trying to start drama with this particular post because you're conflating two separate ideas with each other...
Kalafina 19th single "Blaze" ED for Arslan Senki Fuujin Ranbu
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Atlas Star
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Yui Makino
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i am very confused about this kalafina becoming generic talk because far on the water proved the opposite and kajiura has always had some generic sounding songs in her work
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juchanx3
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Kajiura herself said once that Kalafina is darkness. And for me, Kalafina is about darkness, and some instruments: strings,violin solos, flute solos, piano among others things.
I cannot say anything about harmonies, because I don't understand them.
Blaze is not the boilling point, this has been the course of things since a long time ago. I'm just a little bit sad. But what can I do? And what I am to judge Kajiura? It's her work to creat music, even if its not so great.
Blaze and its guitar part has a feeling:
"We are going to an adventure, some bad things are going to happen, but I have my friends. I will fight and in the end everything will be alright"
I feel the same from several anisongs.
I cannot say anything about harmonies, because I don't understand them.
Blaze is not the boilling point, this has been the course of things since a long time ago. I'm just a little bit sad. But what can I do? And what I am to judge Kajiura? It's her work to creat music, even if its not so great.
Blaze and its guitar part has a feeling:
"We are going to an adventure, some bad things are going to happen, but I have my friends. I will fight and in the end everything will be alright"
I feel the same from several anisongs.
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Yui Makino
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and i do not understand why kajiura isn't allowed to experiment with different genres i actually love what weve heard so far from blaze
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Arabesque
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Imo Blaze was okay, I liked Hikaru's verses and presence in the song. I can't blame Kajiura's stuff for sounding similar to mainstream pop if that what's demanded of her in the anime industry and their targeted audience. Blaze might sound meh and 'un-Kalafina-like' or a 'typical shounen anime' song, but the same goes for the other OPs/EDs and OST for Arslan Senki, so I assume that what's the director and staff wanted from Kalafina as well.
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Yui Makino
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also how can we say that kalafina has a particular style when i have a dream, progressive, and lacrimosa were all on the same album? eden, destination unknown, and kagayaku were all on another? what is kalafina style? i understand them having a trademark which are the harmonizations but style makes no sense.
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Sofia
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Well, I'm more and more convinced that this is what we'll get from singles and anime songs because it's what Kajiura is asked to do and it sells. I can't blame her. We'll always have b-sides and album songs. I still think those are good, so I can deal with not-so-good a-sides if we get stuff like IEN or lapis or koibito.
Anyway, I do not dislike this song (I hated OL with a passion the first time I listened to it), and I'm sure it will grow on me. And it's a Hikaru-lead song ♥. It could have had more Keiko, of course, but I'm ok just because it doesn't feel ttbish again.
Musicians change, and sometimes their direction might not please everyone. But if they had remained the same, the complaint would be that, not changing.
Anyway, I do not dislike this song (I hated OL with a passion the first time I listened to it), and I'm sure it will grow on me. And it's a Hikaru-lead song ♥. It could have had more Keiko, of course, but I'm ok just because it doesn't feel ttbish again.
Musicians change, and sometimes their direction might not please everyone. But if they had remained the same, the complaint would be that, not changing.
george1234
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No he doesnt :)
Yes that the main idea of many anime, especially those directed towards children or young teen, some of these are : Pokemon, Yugioh, Phi-Brain, Fairytale, Toriko, Sailor Moon, and a TONE more. Its not something about anisong, its the general theme of the anime themselves so the anime songs have to deliver the same theme. Its all about friendship and love and how you get power from these to overcome obstacles of life, symbolised by villains. Its not a bad thing, its something you have to get used to since its been like that since forever, and in no way changes how Kajiura writes lyrics.
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Yui Makino
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yes because atlas's mention of his distaste for kajiura's constant exclusion of keiko from being the melody was only a critique and was not a part of the discussion on kalafina's style it was quite obvious and he knows very well that is not what atlas meant
grunty
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Precisely my point. It's fine if you don't like songs but saying they're "not kalafina style" is just odd at this point.
How are they separate in regards to the quoted post and the "generic anison" complaints though? If I wanted to start drama I probably would be all over every Kalafina/FJ live thread but I've not cared about that Kajiura aspect for a good while now.
Excuse me, what? It was all part of this blaze discussion. Atlas used parts of this song to express his disappointment about Keiko not having a solo and made that into a general Kajiura complaint ("this is what I hate about Kajiura") while saying that harmonization set blaze apart from other artists so I followed up on that. I did NOT mention "Kalafina style" in response to his quote so I think you got it twisted.
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george1234
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@Yui Makino You forget that usually atlas agrees with grunty (as well as ritardando) so i fail to imagine these 3 fighting (lol) also there is no rule in the forum that you have to stick in one topic as long as the discussion is still related to the thread, and the harmonisation was. Thats what the quotes are for after all :)
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Seasonreaper
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The annoying thing is, Kajiura is at least semi regularly showing she can write good songs even now (IEN, Lapis, many of FotW's new tracks, HtA OSTs) and she's written relatively typical songs before which still have that extra layer of interest even with a standard structure.
She used to be a lot more consistent at writing interesting material. Now we're getting OSTs with literally hundreds of tracks where the amount of interesting material is countable on one's fingers.
I'm still anticipating the b-sides as there's a good chance they'll be much better. Naturally of course, the tie-in songs will be played at every live appearance for the foreseeable future. At least Blaze sounds like it could be better live like OL was.
She used to be a lot more consistent at writing interesting material. Now we're getting OSTs with literally hundreds of tracks where the amount of interesting material is countable on one's fingers.
I'm still anticipating the b-sides as there's a good chance they'll be much better. Naturally of course, the tie-in songs will be played at every live appearance for the foreseeable future. At least Blaze sounds like it could be better live like OL was.
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Yui Makino
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people can address multiple ideas in a single post so he did two things at once. you asked whether harmonizations and the exclusion of keiko are kalafina style in response to his post when that is not what he was getting at. so yes, it was a general kajiura complaint, not anything related to kalafina specifically.
what?
george1234
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^ The harmonisation was something i listed under "Kalafina style" that we discuss all this time here, and said that its kind of missing from this song, and also Atlas said that Kajiura doesnt put Keiko to sing lyrics that are suitable to her in the song, so Grunty said that she is harmonising there and cant do both harmony and main singing. Where is the drama ?
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Yui Makino
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grunty did not say that
Atlas Star
El Cazador de la Yuki
My dear, I said in my post that the harmonizations make the song "Kalafina". And in my same post, I was complaining about Kajiura's limited use of KEIKO on main vocals.
@grunty then implied that I am being self-contradictory since KEIKO cannot be main vocal and harmonizer at the same time.
I then redirected grunty's attention to my profile picture.
Are you up to speed now?
george1234
Moderator
^ I dont see whats different between your explanation and mine.
Atlas Star
El Cazador de la Yuki
Because in your explanation you lack the part where grunty comes in here acting like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about by contradicting myself in the same post? And because you made it seem like grunty's comment was an attempt to help me understand why KEIKO doesn't get melody lines? And because you made it seem like grunty's comment about "harmonizations" had to do with your comment about how the harmonizations are limited when in reality that was not the case?
LianaIlia36
I have reached Yuki nirvana
Okay, my take on it... did not read a lot of the posts since it would depress me too much. (I will follow Kajiura no matter what. And people can still like and listen to her older works and be fine with that, but I am always open to new things. We are also forgetting about RHH. She still hasn't released a 4th album, even though the show has been going on for awhile.) I like the refrain. Maybe there will be an instrumental part in the beginning, maybe not. I actually don't mind no audible piano or violin (even though I am a Konno fangirl and the violin is my favorite instrument), but the chorus is so repetitive. Maybe it will have more Keiko. I am with whomever said that Wakana's part doesn't quite fit the song (like Heavenly Blue heh) and it sounds a little similar to into the world. Though I still like it, maybe it'll flow better in the full version. Maybe there will be something there to surprise us? Maybe it was the director to ask her to write such a song. So it might not be her fault directly. Anyways... it's okay for me, I will wait for the full version. It's more of an ending theme I think than one light was.
Oh, and as far as the "Kalafina style" thing, I too thought it was more of a FJ song. We tend to think of Kala as having dark songs, but they do have happier ones, Eden, Hikari no Senritsu, Gogatsu no Mahou to name a few. And they may have started out dark and are now different. I thought she commented on this and said that they don't really have a style.
Oh, and as far as the "Kalafina style" thing, I too thought it was more of a FJ song. We tend to think of Kala as having dark songs, but they do have happier ones, Eden, Hikari no Senritsu, Gogatsu no Mahou to name a few. And they may have started out dark and are now different. I thought she commented on this and said that they don't really have a style.