Hikaru

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I love that 'Sayonara', seriously. Actually, Hikaru just annoys me in After Eden sometimes. Progressive is my favorite song of Kalafina, you know...

Edit: About the 'No Hikaru = No Kalafina' thing. It's kind of true, because if she left, the 'Kalafina' we know will neve be the same. But I wouldn't have problems if she was replaced by someone else. But this 'new singer' would have to do everything she could do. Even if Keiko (my favorite singer of Kalafina) left, I wouldn't stop hearing their songs with a new singer. But, of course, Kalafina would change.

(But I would love Yuriko and Kaori singing some songs of Kalafina cof cof)

Ok, enough of Off Topic.
 
@Moonlight and KP-X: you said it well, and that's what I meant on versatility, not the voice changing part alone, also the ability of the vocalist to sing different kinds/genre/mood of songs. Moonlight, You can't let Wakana and Keiko exchange parts as they have VERY different voice range.If it were a string, Keiko: Cello, Wakana: Violin, Hikaru: Viola. Well that's how I see it. It's also true that Hikaru can sing the lower and higher parts. .That's why I love Neverending, because Hikaru seems so relaxed on that song, not the usual "Hikaru shouting" that I hear. FictionJunction YUUKA back up vocalists Yuriko and Hikaru = PERFECT.

It just happened that Ninetales used Sora's link as an example, and she thought THIS was all about her.
 
Well, Because I can't stop blaming myself for thinking that maybe ninetales made this thread because of my viewpoint of Hikaru, this is my explanation :
1. I have to take back my words about destination unknown. I really love it now. The way Hikaru sings it is the same way she sing Mata Kaze ga Tsuyoku Natta and not Magia. Mata Kaze is always the best from Hikaru for me. Although the live version in Red Moon DVD is kinda disappointing, but in progressive DVD it's alright.
2. Unlike many people that adore Hikaru in sandpiper and neverending, I skipped those 2 songs a lot because of Hikaru's part. The songs are nice, but I don't feel any feeling or emotion on those 2 songs for Hikaru's part. The way she sang them, is not relaxed for me, but kinda fake. Especially in neverending first stanza. She sang it not by diaphragm but just in mouth (I don't understand how I can explain this way of singing, sorry) so it's just big no for me. In sandpiper, well, Wakana's part really made Hikaru's part into nothingness for me. Wakana's part really give the full emotion of the song, and the reffrain (chorus) is just amazing.
3. For ninetales question, about why it seems lot of people kinda hate Hikaru, actually I don't hate her. There's a time I only listen for Mata Kaze and progressive a whole day, but it's because the way the tracklist was arranged. Lots of people thought that Seventh Heaven is really Wakana, but because the balanced tracklist, it's not really sound all-Wakana album. oblivious has Wakana's solo. love come down is Keiko and Hikaru. Natsu no Ringo is Wakana and Hikaru, and then fairytale is Wakana and Keiko, and Mata Kaze is Hikaru and Keiko. In red moon, red moon is Wakana and Hikaru, the same goes with HnS. But then we got lots of Keiko in tetotetometome and fantasia. It goes back to Wakana in Haru wa, Hikaru in Kyrie, and Keiko again in Yami no Uta. But in After Eden, track number 1-7 has Hikaru as lead vocal on the songs, and 2 almost solos of Hikaru in Magia and destination unknown. Track 8-13 is Wakana-Keiko-Wakana-Keiko-Wakana-Keiko. It's boring to hear one single person to sing as lead vocal in 7 straight songs, especially most of the songs aren't really new and fresh. It just the matter of boredom for me, but not because I dislike Hikaru.
4. I don't really think that Hikaru can really go to higher and lower part. Hikaru's higher part sounds like screaming, her falsetto isn't really nice either. Hikaru's lower part sometimes ended louder than the main vocal (just like Ongaku live). But when I re-read and re-think this, maybe this is the reason we got lots of Hikaru because Hikaru's higher and lower harmonization don't sounds really well.

For someone that wrote that it's better if Keiko harmonized herself, although it's impossible in live version, go hear magnolia. She harmonized herself there (with Wakana too).
 
I should second ritardando, it's exactly how I feel about her (but I can't express myself in English ;-;). I like her, but not really in After Eden because it's kinda boring (still awesome songs, don't misunderstand me). I LOVE her in progressive and destination unknown, seriously. But in in your eyes she just annoys me, I don't know why.

About Hikaru reaching high and low notes, she can do it, but it's not perfect yet. Her falsetto isn't bad, she just need to improve it. I hope someday I can love her with all my heart, because she deserves it. I want to be surprised.
 
@ritardando: You don't have to worry, I didn't make this about you either! And thanks for your opinion. I agree with most of it :goodjob:
 
You know, I never really gave a second thought to Hikaru's vocal qualities (or anyone else's, for that matter) until this thread popped up... now I'm going to be listening to the songs with all these comments in mind... :ohoho:

Actually, the thing that struck me about Hikaru's voice is that it's so... ordinary. With the exception of Yuuka, all of Yuki Kajiura's vocalists bring something unique that goes against the stereotypical "J-Pop" female vocalist sound... thus really, the only thing I have against Hikaru's voice is that it's stereotypically J-Pop (unlike, let's say, Keiko, who everyone I know routinely mistakes for a guy and they end up surprised as heck that a Japanese girl could sound like this)... which in itself isn't a bad thing for me b/c the songs themselves are great.
 
^I don't think I can agree with this. Hikaru may be a mezzo soprano (which most J-pop female vocalists are), but the quality of her voice is a very unique one. I don't find Keiko's voice that unique, for example (but that's because I'm accostumated with Yuri Nakamura from Garnet Crow, which at least for me is a way better alto, but that doesn't concern this discussion). I find hard to point a common Jpop singer that has a voice that resembles Hikaru's.
 
:omg: :omg: People find Hikaru's voice annoying?
Well... I am extremely biased for Hikaru, I do not know why!
I guess it is a sort of distinctness, like KPX said. I cannot remember any other singer with such a voice! It's a style she does with her voice.... It's just so amazing! I believe Wakana's voice is the one that is most "normal".. Keiko I also believe has a very unique voice. She makes low-ranged vocals have a sort of power and evil <(wrong word choice? xD)
 
It's a fact that they are better than the usual J-Pop singers. Even if I enjoy Animelo singers and anisongs in general, but they are in another level for me. There a lot of singers with a voice 'similar' with Hikaru and Kaori, for example, but those two have more vocal skills for sure. Actually, I find all the singers working with Kajiura and Revo (Sound Horizon) better than the usual singers (except for Yuuka, but it's another discussion).

Hikaru is unique, this is true. She has all this powerful and evil energy and has improved a lot! She is talented and have a great vocal skill, but is not one of my favorites.. yet.

In my opinion Keiko and Yuriko have the most unique voices. But Kaori's voice is the one that makes me feel in love (Keiko too, actually). And Wakana sound like an angel! Hikaru has a powerful and refreshing voice, I really enjoy it, but annoys me here and there.

Ok, I'm just repeating my words, stop.. Sorry, people XD
 
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KP-X said:
I don't find Keiko's voice that unique, for example (but that's because I'm accostumated with Yuri Nakamura from Garnet Crow, which at least for me is a way better alto.

Now that you mention it ... I love "flying", but the singer's voice, while deep, also gets quite high (during the refrain especially). The highest I've ever heard from Keiko was everlasting song during the live (would love to hear more of that). Well, I'm no specialist. Just from listening causally Keiko's voice feels more powerful. Are there any other altos around in more or less popular J-Pop groups?

And Hikaru ... I do like her deeper voice, the higher one not so much ... it's so sharp ^^; But she is definitely very versatile.
 
^Well, like I said, there's Yuri Nakamura from the band GARNET CROW, which is rather well known.
But it's not like you will find an alto in every corner of Japan (actually, altos are difficult to find no matter the country). But since I knew Nakamura way before Keiko, I wasn't really surprised. I was surprised by the fact that Kajiura, über lover of sopranos, would choose an alto singer for a project of hers.
 
I don't know nothing about this 'soprano/alto' think, could you explain me about this? Keiko is alto, Hikaru is mezzo soprano... Wakana must be soprano? And Kaori and Yuriko? Just my curiosity.

Anyway, it's about the range of the voice?
 
^ Yeah, it's their vocal range. A soprano is the highest female vocal range, the mezzo-soprano is the medium female vocal range, and the contralto is the lowest female vocal range. An alto isn't a vocal range, it's a word used to describe someone who sings songs, or parts of songs, that are meant for a contralto.

Though, to be honest, Keiko sounds like she should be lower than a contralto... :TdT: Such an amazingly deep voice, I love it.
 
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Apart from Hikaru and Keiko I think all of Kajiura's regular vocalist are sopranos ... she definitely loves those (which is why Keiko is mostly in a supportive role).

KP-X said:
I was surprised by the fact that Kajiura, über lover of sopranos, would choose an alto singer for a project of hers.

She basically chose one because she had to. For the Tsubasa chronicle soundtrack they needed a female vocalist with a deep voice to sing the song of Oruha, which then turned into the beautiful Kaze no machi he ... in which Keiko doesn't sing all that low actually XD
 
^ It's not just Kajiura; the soprano role is extremely popular in Japan, and it's popular enough so that a lot of people put on a falsetto to try and seem cuter if they're not a soprano.
 
icedphoenix said:
Actually, the thing that struck me about Hikaru's voice is that it's so... ordinary. With the exception of Yuuka, all of Yuki Kajiura's vocalists bring something unique that goes against the stereotypical "J-Pop" female vocalist sound... thus really, the only thing I have against Hikaru's voice is that it's stereotypically J-Pop (unlike, let's say, Keiko, who everyone I know routinely mistakes for a guy and they end up surprised as heck that a Japanese girl could sound like this)... which in itself isn't a bad thing for me b/c the songs themselves are great.
I don't find Hikaru's voice to be unique either.
Keiko must be contralto right? I'm a fan of Yuri from Garnet Crow as to I listen to her a lot.That deep, soothing voice is nice.Same impression I have with Keiko's voice, but it was not a surprise for me since I listen to Jazz a lot before, and you can hear singers with deep voice in it.
 
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Moonlight04 said:
Though I would say that she's weak in giving balance, since sometimes, she's the cause of the imbalance in songs... but hey, the other two make their own mistakes too... BUT HIKARU IS ALWAYS MOST NOTICEABLE because her voice quality has this characteristic of being noticed easily... and that sucks sometimes, but is great in other times...
:XD:
Hmm..Really agree with you... In my opinion, Hikaru is the most inconsistent among the three, and then Wakana, then Keiko. But Wakana&Keiko mistakes usually occur during their chorus part&their voices are also not as sharp as Hikaru, so it's more difficult to notice as well..:).

BTW, besides the personal singing ability, Wakana&Hikaru mentioned that they're always so nervous before having a performance (from some interview, I can't remember..)..esp. in the past, while Keiko doesn't have much problem about this.. This may be another reason for their inconsistency...

TSUBOMI said:
:omg: :omg: People find Hikaru's voice annoying?
Well... I am extremely biased for Hikaru, I do not know why!
Oh..that is not surprising...Hikaru is my favourite in Kalafina in the aspect of voice characteristic (but Wakana smooth&soprano-like singing and Keiko's deep&powerful tone made me unable to choose that who is my fav. girl among them... :ohoho: ..). I also like many more vocalist with nasal voices, but some of my friends say that this kind of voice is so annoying for them. On the other hand, when I listen to their fav. singers, I also feel that oh..their voices are good, but it's so borring or annoying...:XD:..so I think that personal taste has very very wide range of variety...lol.

As for the common-ness of Hikaru voice among Yuki's vocalists..I think it's because you consider the present FJ girls as the representative of Yuki's vocalists... It's true that almost all of Yuki's vocalist in these days have quite unique voice that are so rare in J-pop world. But if you consider ALL OF VOCALISTS that sang Yuki's J-pop songs (I wouldn't count the OST song in this consideration, it's the other case.), you'll find that Hikaru's, Yuuka's, and Kaori's style is the majority. Kaori Hikita, Chiba Saeko, Kato Asuka, Inoue Marina, Kuwashima Houko, or even Chiaki share more similar voice characteristic to Hikaru's, not to Wakana's, and Keiko's :). So..IMO, Wakana&Keiko is a kind of modern Yuki vocalists while Hikaru present the old-day Yuki's vocalist...and I think it's a good mixing for Kalafina..:D.
 
Just dealing with this:

it WAS passive aggressive on ninetales’ part.

Well then, I might as well post what Wikipedia tells us about passive-aggressiveness. Since it's quite the sore spot for me, thank you very much.

Wikipedia said:
Passive–aggressive behavior, a personality trait, is passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following through with expectations in interpersonal or occupational situations. It is a personality trait marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed, resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

It can manifest itself as learned helplessness, procrastination, stubbornness, resentment, sullenness, or deliberate/repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible.

That disorder involves the completion of tasks and the fulfillment of expectations. This situation involves no tasks and no expectations.

In short, true passive-aggressiveness is something that does not apply to this situation in the slightest.

I might have accidentally implied some sort of hidden aggressiveness in my posts, but I was not acting in a truly passive-aggressive manner.

:bow:

Moonlight04 said:
Though I would say that she's weak in giving balance, since sometimes, she's the cause of the imbalance in songs... but hey, the other two make their own mistakes too... BUT HIKARU IS ALWAYS MOST NOTICEABLE because her voice quality has this characteristic of being noticed easily... and that sucks sometimes, but is great in other times...
:XD:

I really agree with you! Because Hikaru's voice is so different than Wakana's and Keiko's, it stands out the most if something doesn't sound right. :ayashii:
 
Hey there, newbie here~
Acutally this thread was a partial influence on me finally signing up because I just felt the urge to defend poor Hikaru.

I'll admit I can sort of understand where these people are coming from, but I think they're grossly exaggerating it and making it sound waaay worse than it actually is. Hikaru does have a shouty voice, but it's because Wakana and Keiko have very smooth voices that are quite similar, whereas Hikaru's is the odd one out.

Thus, she does seem to belt out her notes more compared to them, and because she stands out, her mistakes and flaws are probably also more obvious. I've noticed on live videos that sometimes Hikaru holds the microphone a good half arm's length away from her mouth, I assume, to lower her volume so she doesn't drown out the other two.

If she were singing with other singers I don't think it'd be as emphasised. It's just that Wakana and Keiko have remarkably smooth voices in comparison.

That said, even if Hikaru's voice is very dominating, that's what makes it perfect for their upbeat rock songs. No one can sing Magia and destination and Matta Kaze the way Hikaru can. :sohappy:

Even if her voice isn't the prettiest, it's certainly perfect for driving the energy and beat of a song. And it has a very vibrant, vivacious character and charisma of its own. I think her voice is definitely the most expressive out of the three.

I do think though, that Hikaru sounds her best singing in her lower register rather than higher notes. Magia and desination unknown are just... :nosebleed:

Hikaru's higher notes in In your eyes is acceptable for me but I think Hikaru would have difficulty sustaining those higher notes throughout the whole song when they sing it live, which is also why I think Wakana took over at the second and third chorus even though her vocal tone doesn't suit the song, since I read somewhere that with After Eden they tried to record the songs as much the same as how they would sing it live...

Even though Hikaru is a mezzo-soprano like Kaori, her voice leans more towards the lower end of that range whilst Kaori's leans towards the higher end with her lighter and brighter voice.

In the end, I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I reckon if someone doesn't like Hikaru's voice, they could at least be nicer about it rather than giving her an uncalled-for bashing and upsetting or offending those who do like her voice.

Considering how much hard work and effort she puts in, Hikaru does deserve respect and appreciation for her efforts and she has improved a lot since first starting out. It's okay to express dislike I guess, but I don't think it's fair on Hikaru to make such overly drastic comments about it. :uh..:

Also, this might just be me being paranoid and defensive and weird, but it seems like there's a certain category of fans out there who are familiar with Wakana and Keiko from FictionJunction but who have developed this inexplicable animosity towards Hikaru because they view her as this inexperienced newcomer, or even like a sort of unwelcome intruder, and occasionally, an inferior replacement of Kaori.

That, I think, is really unfair on Hikaru and I feel quite sorry for her. As people have said before, Yuki wouldn't have chosen her if she hadn't had something special and unique to contribute to Kalafina.

Besides, she's such a gentle and unassuming sweetie, I don't think she deserves such harsh words against her. And the effort and hard work she puts in should at least be respected and appreciated. :cry:

...I think I wrote too much...so I'm gonna stop now...sorry... :spotlight:

But ganbatte Hikaru~! I still love you and I'm sure there will always be fans who love you, especially round here~ :dote:
 
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