Discussion in 'Everything Yuki' started by Crion629, Jan 22, 2010.
^I feel you man, I know this thread is for positivity but I just can’t with Yuuka.
I like nowhere, I'm here, Akatsuki no Kuruma, Cazador del Armor, Romanesque and personal favorites "El Cazador", "Margaret", "She's Gotta Go"
Overall I like her music and enjoy it, I still listen to her every now and then and there isn't any hard feelings.
Looe, United Kingdom
Yuuka's voice is pretty good, but she still has nothing on the other Kala/FJ girls and her songs just aren't that interesting to me. That said Cazador del Amor is goddamn wonderful, and still one of my favourite YK Vocal works overall, just a pity the rest of her songs aren't even close to it.
1- Keiko Kubota: Well her alto is just out of this world, I don't think I've ever heard anything like it. She ties everything together whenever she harmonises. She provides that dark mysterious vibe for Kalafina and FJ, but I don't really like it when she tries to sound cute.. I don't think it suits her voice. One more reason to adore Keiko is that I can totally relate to her.. I'm a bass-baritone and I've always been asked to sing higher and no one appreciated my lower range, so seeing Keiko and what she's capable of really gave me some self confidence and reassurance. Plus I'm tiny and sound way lower than what my look suggests, so yeah xD
2- Wakana Ootaki: The voice of a goddess, I love the magical, smooth, silky, milky (xD) qualities of her voice! When we talk about vocal technique, she has the most of the trio (Kalafina). Her voice makes everything sound tragic and sad, that's why I don't like her in happy bright songs, she doesn't fit. Sure she might sound honky at times, but she's a great vocalist overall. Oh and I don't really care for "old-Wakana", she still sounds solid AF.
3- Hikaru Masai: At first I REALLY used to hate her voice.. I thought she didn't fit with the other girls and that they were waaaay beyond her. She sounded like any other average anisong vocalist to me. BUT, when I heard her sing using her REAL voice (ie chest voice), I fell in love with her!! (examples: DU, Magia, Neverending, Sandpiper, Hanataba etc..) She's the most versatile, she can rock the stage, and can also touch your heart (Sprinter 2012 acoustic performance). She indeed went through some vocal crisis, but from what I'm seeing, she's recovering and getting better. I wish she would ONLY use her chest voice, but oh well we all know that won't happen.
And am I the only one who feels cringy whenever Maya gets mentioned? I mean she's a solid vocalist sure but come on ppl she only "half" sang 2 songs and her leaving didn't affect the band one bit xD.
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Oh god no.
Maya only sang properly in one song and whilst she did have a good voice, she's overall pretty irrelevant to everything.
That's a proven fact. Show one song from the Red Moon Live to any music teacher and he'll tell you that too (I picked Red Moon Live cuz all 3 were in top shape).
That was like 8 years ago before the vocal decline, and we all know their official releases of concerts are edited to sound better. And even then her technique wasn't anything to brag about.
Sure they’re all edited, the editing tho is mostly for pitches/mixing etc, you can’t really edit vocal technique. Take for example their fan footage of “Serenato”, both Wakana and Keiko don’t need editing of any sort. And I will still brag about her technique lol, I still stand by what I said; cleanest vibrato, smoothest transition from chest voice to falsetto, proper control on falsetto. It’s up to you in the end, this is how I see it as a musician.
None of that applies to current Wakana. And with old Wakana it was still very inconsistent.
Which one? I only remember one from their Red Moon Asia tour, and it was poops.
I actually agree with @Hadi_sama that Wakana, currently, has the best vocal technique in Kalafina. She seems to be the most consistent nowadays (yeah yeah there's editing but after all 6 lives they've released since her voice got better in 2014, the consistency shines through). She doesn't sound strained on higher notes anymore, nor does she look in pain while singing them on stage. All of her higher notes now are super smooth and well executed, whereas before they weren't. I think she was singing with an incorrect technique beforehand, and changed that in 2012 (To me she sounds drastically different between the to the beginning & moonfesta singles). It took her a couple years to get used to her technique, that explains why it wasn't that great right away. Case in point of incorrect technique: Parallel Hearts live. In the live from vol. 4/2009, she sounds quite strained imo, her voice sounds a bit forced. In the live from vol. 11/2014, her voice now sounds much smoother and less forced. oblivious is this way too. Sure, it may not be what people want to hear (in fact I prefer the earlier lives of these songs), but from a technical perspective it's much better.
The reason why I argue that Keiko isn't the one with the best technique despite being overall the most consistent is mainly because of her higher notes. She can't belt for the life of her, and anything above an A4 sounds strained. Yes, she's an alto, but altos can belt too, and A4 isn't that high a note. Her lower register though does sound really well developed (for good reason obviously, since most of the time she sings in it)
Hikaru's vocal technique has sort of always been terrible. Sure, there are definitely moments where she gets through that, but her higher notes have always sounded forced from anything Kagayaku and later. I think at this point, the reason why her voice took a real downturn in 2014/15 is because of this improper technique catching up with her (vocal nodules). To be perfectly honest I didn't really buy it when Hikaru said "my voice from back then is gone". Though that is indeed partially true, as mezzo soprano's voices naturally lower throughout their life, that's not an excuse for ignoring her obvious vocal problems. She needs to get this addressed soon or else she will lose her voice completely.
@Westkana Thank you! Finally, Wakana gets appreciation here. I mean try to sing her parts in 23 songs daily or semi-daily for a few months and see what happens to your voice. Girl needs some credit.
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@Westkana There's more to technique than high notes, and she still strains, they're not smooth at all. Add to that her terrible almost goat-like wobbly vibrato that she doesn't use consistently, operatic technique is awful and can barely hold notes when using it (Liminality is cancer now).
Did Winter acoustic and Lisani 2017 not exist in your minds or what? She's better than in 2012, but to call her the most consistent is just whack.
Nice point @Kirito about Hikaru's voice getting weightier over time. I hope she ends up deciding to abandon trying to sing with her faux-nasally voice soon because all it's doing is hurting her. And who wouldn't want to hear ARIA with a heavy voice belting the chorus
I kinda like this vibrato... How else would you like her to sing it? (I mean that as a genuine question, not rhetorical)
Yeah, I agree that she wasn't the best in the Winter Acoustic (especially Alleluia ), but one bad performance out of many doesn't mean she's forever a bad vocalist. I disagree that her performance at LisAni 2017 was bad though, I thought she sounded pretty good.
At least like she used to, back in 2008-2010. Ideally, like Lady Gaga.
I thought both Hikaru and Wakana sounded bad whenever they had their solos. Plus Wakana singing worse than LiSA in This Illusion. I absolutely despise LiSA, so that performance was just embarrassing.
I actually thought both Hikaru & Wakana sounded great in both the collab solos and the Kalafina songs (minus identify). Sure there are a rough patches here and there but overall they sounded pretty solid. Hikaru on träumerei chorus could sound a bit better but her parts in the verses are fantastic partly cause she's not singing in that faux-nasally voice that she so desperately needs to get rid of. Wakana I thought tried to put some kind of power or pep into her voice (emulating LiSA to an extent) that didn't sound that good but when she wasn't trying to do that she sounded fine. But opinions are opinions, what sounds good to me may not to you
There's a fine line between facts and personal preferences.
"""Facts""" on studio magixed recordings, lel.
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