Puella Magi Madoka Magica

[Pontianak]

I guess this is the right place for it. If it's not, hey, you get to look at some gorgeous art. Direct link here.

This was the deformed dwarf called Miki Sayaka, right? This is the art I've decided on for the third soundtrack album, since it doesn't copy the idiotic moeblob "style" the anime does that makes them all look like they're composed of rectangular shaped tumours with rainbow hair and height deficiencies caused by generations of inbreeding.

 

[Special_K]

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If you insist it should be Madoka, the fandom is happy to comply:

I'll be happy to adopt it from her...

 

[Nick Hunter]

LOLz!!!! Why there's Homura in place of the Dog? That's creepy

Revise all the pairings and memetic mutation they underwent, then take a wild guess.
Still, as funny as the pic is, it's the TAIL that I find creepy myself.

This was the deformed dwarf called Miki Sayaka, right? This is the art I've decided on for the third soundtrack album, since it doesn't copy the idiotic moeblob "style" the anime does that makes them all look like they're composed of rectangular shaped tumours with rainbow hair and height deficiencies caused by generations of inbreeding.

Well, I'd say Sayaka rather looks CLAMP-style here. On par with Sakura-hime after Tokyo Revelations.

I'll be happy to adopt it from her...

As if she'd let you. You're messing with a spiritual being here.

 

[Pontianak]

Well, I'd say Sayaka rather looks CLAMP-style here.

Which is a damn sight better than "vertically challenged square fetuses". Plus the picture is very artistic and stylized, which I'm always on board for.

 

[murrue02]

Sayaka looks like a Queen from the Victorian era

 

[moichispa]

Nah madoka is not so rectangular Hidamari one is way worse.

Madoka with proper hidamari drawing would really be grotesque but there are a few pictures if that out there.

By the way I don't think I would be able to see hidamari like I did before madoka

 

[Pontianak]

madoka is not so rectangular

Let's take this step by step.

*:･ﾟ✧　MADOKA　✧ﾟ･:*



*:･ﾟ✧　RECTANGLE　✧ﾟ･:*

*:･ﾟ✧　CONCLUSION　✧ﾟ･:*

Madoka = Rectangle

 

[Nick Hunter]

Madoka is rectangular, so the demons who appeared in the new timeline after her wish are oddly cubic in appearance. In memoriam?

Like Moichi said, though, the designs in Madoka are nowehere near as conspicuous as the designer's trademark manga, Hidamari Sketch. I guess that's where having another artist adapt the initial designs might have helped... or Ume-zenzei just didn't want to repeat her old style verbatim.

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[Pontianak]

the designs in Madoka are nowehere near as conspicuous as the designer's trademark manga, Hidamari Sketch.

That's like getting the head of these onions and saying that they don't look like circles because they're not actual circles. Madoka people are still rectangle-shaped, just not as rectangle-shaped as that other thing what you said that I don't care about.

 

[ninetales]

@Nick: Something doesn't look right about those character designs, and it's not just the rectangular heads

 

[Pontianak]

^ Is it the disgusting and abhorrent art style? Probably. Augh, what was SHAFT thinking? Not even their odd animation and amazingly unique stylistic choices could make me muster anything but cold distaste towards Madoka.

 

[Nick Hunter]

That's like getting the head of these onions and saying that they don't look like circles because they're not actual circles. Madoka people are still rectangle-shaped, just not as rectangle-shaped as that other thing what you said that I don't care about.

but I thought that was Moichi's point?

Nah madoka is not so rectangular Hidamari one is way worse.

Augh, what was SHAFT thinking?

It's not Shaft exclusively. What part of "Magica Quartet is a bunch of merry trolls" do you guys not believe in yet?

 

[Pontianak]

^ So Madoka was only terrible because it was a huge troll? It seems a bit weird to waste all that money on stellar animation just to make bland 2D rectangle people that only recycle cliches, idk.

madoka is not so rectangular

Basic grammar rules dictate that this sentence means "madoka isn't that rectangular", implying that Madoka is actually not rectangular at all.

 

[Nick Hunter]

^ So Madoka was only terrible because it was a huge troll?

TBH, all the complaints people have about Madoka can be answered by this, as far as I can judge.

It seems a bit weird to waste all that money on stellar animation just to make bland 2D rectangle people that only recycle cliches, idk.

And yet somehow it worked. Madoka has long returned all the money that were wasted on the production.

But speaking seriously, Ponti... don't ask for explanations when it's Shinbo we're talking here. Even I, his big fan, scratch my head at a considerable amount of things found in Shaft works.

Basic grammar rules dictate that this sentence means "madoka isn't that rectangular", implying that Madoka is actually not rectangular at all.

Dunno, I interpreted it as "Madoka is vaguely rectangular, but not explicitly so". Although I agree that an attempt to draw a rectangle into her face limits could be disturbingly successful. Still, don't forget that it's partly her hairstyle that adds to the impression. In comparison, other girls who have different hairstyles look CONSIDERABLY less rectangular.

 

[ninetales]

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And yet somehow it worked.

I always think of it as Battlestar Galactica/SGU/etc. turned into anime. All that lovely angst, characters with no real likeable qualities...it's all very Hollywood. Personally I think that's the reason why it was such a big success, since anime doesn't seem to do the whole Hollywood thing very much. Plus, it also did the 'take a genre and fiddle around with its cliches' thing, which like certain Westerns and crime shows also served to make it seem fresh and interesting.

 

[Pontianak]

TBH, all the complaints people have about Madoka can be answered by this, as far as I can judge.

That's annoying and makes me feel negative emotions.

And yet somehow it worked. Madoka has long returned all the money that were wasted on the production.

And yet amazing anime like Mononoke get overlooked just because it's not one-note moeshit with boring archetypes enacting either no plot or a cliche plot so all the pedos can fap to it without having to think.

But speaking seriously, Ponti... don't ask for explanations when it's Shinbo we're talking here.

Why?

Even I, his big fan, scratch my head at a considerable amount of things found in Shaft works.

I love it when weird things happen in animation, but when story lines are bland/cliche/predictable/rip-off copies and the characters are two-dimensional/rip-off copies, then that's just bad storytelling and has nothing do with with any kind of ~*trademark weirdness*~.

lovely angst

I adore angst when it's done correctly, like with Chihaya in THE iDOLM@STER and Nao in Mai-HiME. Madoka's angst is just "boohoo sad music feel sad at my stupid cliche problems" without even trying to work things out psychologically or build up to it or anything. Like Clannad, though that's infinitely worse. God, I hate Clannad.

CONSIDERABLY less rectangular

I don't want to go through Google to find images that prove you wrong, since I'm sure that could be considered self-harm, but idk if you really believe that Madoka people don't have rectangular faces...

 

[george1234]

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And yet amazing anime like Mononoke get overlooked just because it's not one-note moeshit with boring archetypes enacting either no plot or a cliche plot so all the pedos can fap to it without having to think.

No problem with your post but I think you should watch your tongue a bit ^^

 

[Nick Hunter]

I have an impression that Madoka's success doesn't lie in moe. Madoka did something very atypical for the genre it claimed to belong to, taking all of its cliches and using them in a way they were hardly meant to be used. Its plot is considerably good by overall anime standards (especially when compared to the most recent mainstream trends) and close to being the best story ever told in a magical girl series. Madoka turns the toy fluff of the genre into serious business and manages to do it without heavily disbalancing darkness and moe like Elfen Lied once did (not that the latter was a MG anime, of course).
Why is Mononoke overlooked and Madoka is hyped over 9000? Let's see. A producer famous for Petite Cossette, KnK and OreImo. A director famous for the same Petite Cossette, Zetsubou-sensei, Bakemonogatari and his overall quirky style. A writer famous for skillfully written suspence, loath of happy endings and a couple of works like Phantom, Saya no Uta and Fate/Zero. A designer famous for Hidamari Sketch manga (you'll be surprised, but it's popular). A composer famous for... Well, as a CPMer, you should have the idea. Add clever marketing, buildung hype, masterful trolling, twisting plotline... With all the merits of Mononoke, it just didn't have the aforesaid sum of factors. Too bad.
Oh, and every time I hear of Madoka's predictability, I can't stop smirking. Especially as it brings memories of how people ranted they'd predicted Sayaka's witchdom from ep 1... Yeah, I'm talking the idea that assoiated Sayaka with WN on the base of the witch's outline vaguely resembling her cape. The majority of things predicted about Madoka are bits of WMG avalanche that hit the bullseye (let's not mention that the also had two months to come up with EVERY possible idea about the last episodes ). But are there many animes, let alone magical girl-themed and moe-decorated, that caused such massive guessing and discussion after each episode? While spicing the results up with acid graphic sequences, awesome music and an amount of tearjerkers that Jun Maeda himself could envy?
Ask yourself this question, and you'll have an answer why Madoka is such a big hit despite rectangular faces. Which, btw, had had their share of LOLs, ROFLs and '_________' 's way before the broadcast. People can get used to anything. Not all of them, though. So disliking Madoka designs is by no means a crime. Hehe, if I said I openly dislike Mai-Hime designs (and I do), I'd probably get dogpiled myself since we seem to have many fans of the show here at CPM.

 

[Pontianak]

I have an impression that Madoka's success doesn't lie in moe.

PROTIP: Yes. It does.

Madoka did something very atypical for the genre it claimed to belong to, taking all of its cliches and using them in a way they were hardly meant to be used.

I'll give you that; it's definitely more mature than all the other magical girl shows aimed at six year olds.

Its plot is considerably good by overall anime standards

No, it's not. Its plot is bad, full stop, and comparing it to anime that are worse is no way to convince anyone otherwise. Things should stand on their own merits, not failures of other shows.

(especially when compared to the most recent mainstream trends)

Comparing rat-hair soup to dog excrement is not a good argument.

and close to being the best story ever told in a magical girl series.

Uh-huh.

Madoka turns the toy fluff of the genre into serious business

Except it wasn't serious business; it was cheap OMG-factors by shoving death!! into a genre where it hadn't really been mentioned before, completely randomly and ridiculous just to show that SRSLY GUYS ** GOT REAL. The only reason anyone cares is because it was pigeonholed into the kids' show category.

and manages to do it without heavily disbalancing darkness and moe like Elfen Lied once did (not that the latter was a MG anime, of course).

There was no darkness, though. It was trying way, way too hard to seem edgy and cool.

Why is Mononoke overlooked and Madoka is hyped over 9000?

Based on their individual merits as shows, not on silly pre-judgements people make based on who's working on it and not what's actually good about a show.

Let's see. A producer famous for Petite Cossette, KnK and OreImo.

Orrrrr you can base it on pre-judgements, idk.

A director famous for the same Petite Cossette, Zetsubou-sensei, Bakemonogatari and his overall quirky style.

There is a major difference! The latter two are actually good.

A writer famous for skillfully written suspence, loath of happy endings and a couple of works like Phantom, Saya no Uta and Fate/Zero.

and everyone magically came back to life anyway lololol

A designer famous for Hidamari Sketch manga (you'll be surprised, but it's popular).

So the appeal was in the "moe moe kyun desu ka" factor, and you lied?

A composer famous for... Well, as a CPMer, you should have the idea.

I don't watch shows based on who's going to be composing the background music.

Add clever marketing, buildung hype, masterful trolling, twisting plotline...

The plot twisted less than a Roman road.

With all the merits of Mononoke, it just didn't have the aforesaid sum of factors. Too bad.

It is too bad that people would prefer watching childrens' shows as opposed to those aimed at the demographic over the age of 12, yeah. Says a lot about their character, I guess.

Oh, and every time I hear of Madoka's predictability, I can't stop smirking.

Wow.

Especially as it brings memories of how people ranted they'd predicted Sayaka's witchdom from ep 1...

Uh, well... No offence, but it was pretty obvious? The only genuine twist in Madoka was that Mami was actually intended to be likable and didn't turn on Moe & Co. There's no need to lose your head over it. Hee.

Yeah, I'm talking the idea that assoiated Sayaka with WN on the base of the witch's outline vaguely resembling her cape.

I didn't base it on anything, I could just tell because of the tropes/cliches that the show seemed to be aiming for.

But are there many animes, let alone magical girl-themed and moe-decorated, that caused such massive guessing and discussion after each episode?

Yes. Practically every series ever, Naruto and BLEACH included.

Have you never been to fandom forums, or do you only watch shows that intend to please the population that haven't hit puberty yet?

While spicing the results up with acid graphic sequences, awesome music and an amount of tearjerkers that Jun Maeda himself could envy?

Maeda could envy anything that isn't Clannad, considering every episode is basically;

here's a chick
she is perfect/happy/sociable/kind/intelligent/a tsundere
suddenly she has aids
she has been holding in her tears and sadness behind a happy mask
her eyes are only that slanted and misaligned because they are PULLED DOWN BY THE WEIGHT OF HER UNSHED TEARS
now she is crying
now sad music happens
are you crying yet
you should be
**

next episode: porn & happy ending

I hate Clannad. Inbred disgusting whiny walking cliches with ugly art and ** animation and retarded stupid stories that make no sense and don't correlate to the characters' previous behaviour at all and is the most overrated pile of ** in the entire world ever including K-On and I would shed no tears if Maeda took whatever stupid point he was trying to make with that "show" and then proceeded to fall on it and die. It makes me want to hurt someone.

Ask yourself this question, and you'll have an answer why Madoka is such a big hit despite rectangular faces.

Because people have bad taste and like moe** that's almost on par with K-On. Which incidentally has a HUGE discussion SRS BZNS base for it, lol. lol.

Hehe, if I said I openly dislike Mai-Hime designs (and I do), I'd probably get dogpiled myself since we seem to have many fans of the show here at CPM.

Why? Mai-HiME's characters' designs are absolutely disgusting, and the art/animation is extremely low-quality. And, waifu says it best;

the art for that is really ugly, but it's just generic bad anime art.
they didn't go out of their way to make them look like gnomes

I'm in love with Mai-HiME and it's one of my favourite anime in the world, but why would you assume that just because I love it and am a fan of it, I'm going to be in a huge denial cycle of NO IT'S PERFECT and refuse to acknowledge that anything is ever bad about it? Even though I've been told to watch my language, I have to say this; what the **?

Being a fan isn't adamantly refusing to admit that something has flaws. Being a fan is recognizing and referencing those flaws and still liking it despite them.

There's no need to get super ignorant and defensive over "MADOKA HAS NO FLAWS HERE ARE 1,000,000 EXCUSES FOR IT BEING BORING, PREDICTABLE AND CLICHE". I'm sick to death of people burying themselves in some idiotic delusion that Madoka is anything but the same ** that's been done before, and better. Hell, Mai-HiME is a huge example of that. So is Bokurano. And Narutaru. And Nanoha. And-- Yeah.

tl;dr Madoka is terrible unless you're comparing it to all the other shows aimed at toddlers.

Edit1: I censored myself for the masses. I AM SELLING OUT.

Edit2: I missed a word.

 

[Kerahna]

let's try to keep the discussion friendly here ^^;