「Kalafina Anniversary LIVE 2025」15th January Tokyo Garden Theater (NO KAJIURA INVOLVEMENT)

I find it kinda odd because I saw a post claiming that Kajiura just used them ( Kalafina girls ) as mere instruments for her songs and that she is as bitter as Spacecraft 😭 That Kajiura doesn’t even want to fight for them or to even attempt to have them back as her singers, especially to Keiko and Hikaru in the recent events.

To be honest, Kalafina girls not mentioning Kajiura during the comeback or anything after that just hurts. When they use Kalafina music in their stories on IG just hits different knowing how close everyone as a family was before all of this. I am really wondering why the girls agreed to Spacecraft’s terms and conditions knowing it would hurt Kajiura.

Ohh well. I shouldn’t think more about this 😂
 
toshiroukajiura said:
I find it kinda odd because I saw a post claiming that Kajiura just used them ( Kalafina girls ) as mere instruments for her songs and that she is as bitter as Spacecraft 😭 That Kajiura doesn’t even want to fight for them or to even attempt to have them back as her singers, especially to Keiko and Hikaru in the recent events.

To be honest, Kalafina girls not mentioning Kajiura during the comeback or anything after that just hurts. When they use Kalafina music in their stories on IG just hits different knowing how close everyone as a family was before all of this. I am really wondering why the girls agreed to Spacecraft’s terms and conditions knowing it would hurt Kajiura.

Ohh well. I shouldn’t think more about this 😂
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You mean the one by p*tch ? Dont mind her she is so obsessed with Kalafina girls that she ended up hating on Kajiura.

Kalafina without Kajiura would be nothing. Pretty girls who can sing exist and even ones with similar or better voice. Its her who made these songs and combined their voice and trained them to sing. Also if they were famous themselves their solo careers would explode in sales , something that hasnt happened so far..

If anyone used the girls that is spacecraft because we now know Kajiura was working even with anime projects she didnt like for financial reasons (and maybe due to her contract as producer of them which didnt really allow her to compose for other artist for these years - because if she did the Kalafins girls wouldnt habe to sing absolutely everything themselves) and even now that she focuses more of lives she doesnt do more than 10 concerts per year. Do you remember how many Kalafina did ? All you have to do is go to one of the live pages. like this one https://canta-per-me.net/live-events/2015-2016/ and that was for at least 8 years nonstop. If you count in all the rehearsals needed its no wonder their voice started to break.

As to why they agreed to the terms?
- maybe they didnt know of the endless lives by the time of signing.
- maybe they thought they could manage it.
- in Japan its rude to deny things you hsve been offfered in proffessional way.


Also what did they do as their reunion under SC? A fl*pping live concert, the very thing that made their voices worse....

Speaking of concerts i think nobody forced Wakana Keiko and Hikaru to enter FictionJuction before or even after the disbandment. wakana and keiko could quit FJ if they hated Kajiura or if 1 more tour was too much for them to handle.and also if they did Keiko amd Hikaru wouldnt join once more after Kafina disbandment for at least 4 more years.
 
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I am not sure if Wakana has had surgery. The blog that belongs to the butch with a harder sounding first letter mentioned that someone on Youtube commented on it ?

She might have had, she definitely needed a check up - the "old" voice still hasn't come back and it's probably unlikely that it ever comes back fully.
 
It is a shame how that person really turned her passion into something problematic by turning all her hate on Kajiura.
I still remember how I met her back in the YK Live back in Taipei last 2019, when Keiko is already making a comeback to the YK lives.

I personally relayed to her how I 100% blame Spacecraft for all of this mess, and then she really had to give excuses to Spacecraft's actions that led to that point. And I do recall how she went there just to see Keiko more than listening to Kajiura.

Fast forward today looks like her obsession with the girls just suddenly took a wild turn by blaming Kajiura for having Kalafina not getting a solid comeback or something, like wtf?

Anyways, yeah, watching those studio lives were a cringe back then. Not gonna watch them again now.

If that person is still lurking around in this forum checking out Kalafina related threads and reached this point, all I can say to you is get over your illogical hate of Kajiura and just focus on your effort for an eventual comeback of the three girls. Good luck.
 
I am genuinely curious about Keiko's thing today, let's see how it will turn out.

blaming Kajiura for a subpar Kalafina comeback is absolute bonkers. let's say you blame Kajiura for pushing Wakana too hard and she lost her voice because of it - a legitimate concern but this too is not Kajiura's fault* - saying Kajiura hampered Kalafina's second coming is just objectively not true.
 
It will be GREAT to see the three of them hanging out and singing together. I am hoping the more relaxed environment will allow them to sing more freely and not be as tense/worried, though they know there is a lot of attention on the live.

What will they sing?
 
george1234 said:
You mean the one by p*tch ? Dont mind her she is so obsessed with Kalafina girls that she ended up hating on Kajiura.

Kalafina without Kajiura would be nothing. Pretty girls who can sing exist and even ones with similar or better voice. Its her who made these songs and combined their voice and trained them to sing. Also if they were famous themselves their solo careers would explode in sales , something that hasnt happened so far..

If anyone used the girls that is spacecraft because we now know Kajiura was working even with anime projects she didnt like for financial reasons (and maybe due to her contract as producer of them which didnt really allow her to compose for other artist for these years - because if she did the Kalafins girls wouldnt habe to sing absolutely everything themselves) and even now that she focuses more of lives she doesnt do more than 10 concerts per year. Do you remember how many Kalafina did ? All you have to do is go to one of the live pages. like this one https://canta-per-me.net/live-events/2015-2016/ and that was for at least 8 years nonstop. If you count in all the rehearsals needed its no wonder their voice started to break.

As to why they agreed to the terms?
- maybe they didnt know of the endless lives by the time of signing.
- maybe they thought they could manage it.
- in Japan its rude to deny things you hsve been offfered in proffessional way.


Also what did they do as their reunion under SC? A fl*pping live concert, the very thing that made their voices worse....

Speaking of concerts i think nobody forced Wakana Keiko and Hikaru to enter FictionJuction before or even after the disbandment. wakana and keiko could quit FJ if they hated Kajiura or if 1 more tour was too much for them to handle.and also if they did Keiko amd Hikaru wouldnt join once more after Kafina disbandment for at least 4 more years.
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No. 😆 Not her. I know she loves Kalafina so much. And I love P*tch. She’s kind. Though I did see her post about that 😂 it’s the tweets from others that I saw that triggered me. 😂
Though when I saw her post regarding that, I disagree that Kajiura just use them for her own personal gain. Her singers in Kalafina and Fictionjunction to be honest are not that great as solo singers ( I mean they can’t make it big alone. ) Kajiura’s imagination towards their voices had brought them where they are at today. I hate to admit it but without Kajiura, they don’t stand out. If Kajiura really wanted money and personal gain, no one is stopping her in making collaborations with other singers. She could have disconnected with them and just collabed with artists with bigger names. But she didn’t. Kajiura loves and respects them. I can really say that since I also work in the music industry in my country. I know how Kajiura adores those people who love and supports her music. Kajiura made them relevant and we love them because of Kajiura’s music.
No, they are not Kajiura’s mere tools. However, I don’t like seeing Kalafina girls or SPACECRAFT related people treat Kajiura’s music like a mere tool in making money or in still promoting them. But I wish them luck and I am looking forward to them with a new composer and producer.
But I will stand with what I said before here, with Kalafina individually they are good singers, together they can harmonize well BUT it takes a YUKI KAJIURA to make them sound like KALAFINA.
I hope the Kalafina girls will find a way to patch things up because technically, they are the ones who agreed with Spacecraft’s demands 😂


And they sang Mune no Yukue too. Same song as recent Fictionjunction lives ending. They also sang Into The World as their last song in their recent Kalafina comeback concert after Yuki Kajiura have Into the World also as the last song in YKL #20 Asia Tour. I had the privilege in watching them in Thailand.


Oh well ❤️ Love them all. 😂 Hope they patch things up
 
toshiroukajiura said:
Her singers in Kalafina and Fictionjunction to be honest are not that great as solo singers
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To create a vocal group I feel like you can work with average / above average singers who can blend well together, if that's what is available. It's not all the time you'll get top-level singers, and if you do they may not always work well together.

Success is about more than just being a good singer. It takes a lot of different things coming together: opportunities, location, sometimes waves and trends, personality and charisma, and often a lot of luck and favour. It might even be the fact that you happen to be registered with a particular agency, or an industry person (or radio personality) takes an interest in your song and promotes it organically.

In terms of technical ability (vocal, musical and on-stage) our regular FJ girls may not be all regional- or national-level in terms of comparative quality to all vocalists in the country but I think they are strong district/town/city level. They are at the very least much better than a lot of the idol group vocalists, or the solo idol singers, or even average JPop artist, and maybe comparable to ballad vocalists, at different levels. The FJ ladies are also quite varied in their abilities. I would personally stake on Joelle being able to stand at multiples of these levels (I was watching Kanagawa again and her held notes during "Open your heart").
toshiroukajiura said:
Kajiura’s imagination towards their voices had brought them where they are at today. I hate to admit it but without Kajiura, they don’t stand out.
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Speaking about Kalafina, They each offer what they can - they've proven that they are not bad singers - it's just the quality of Kajiura's music that presents them in a more refined musical landscape than usual, though they are not limited to Kajiura's music.

I am glad they're doing different types of music and reflecting their individual strengths and inclinations, with Hikaru doing a lot more rock-styled music (which we know is her strength compared to the other two, because of Magia and other Kalafina work), and Wakana doing the ballads (which is her area as well), while Keiko is doing a lot more in-between and various styles.

If they did not have the opportunity to sing in the multiplicity of styles and arrangement offered by Kajiura's music, they may not have been recognized in these various genres they've become known for doing.
toshiroukajiura said:
Kajiura loves and respects them. I can really say that since I also work in the music industry in my country. I know how Kajiura adores those people who love and supports her music. Kajiura made them relevant and we love them because of Kajiura’s music.
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I think we can at least agree that she respects them as professionals and collaborators, and may have different levels of fondness for them. I really have come to a conclusion that Kajiura has no issues with the ladies and it's just fans that are assuming all that (because we don't have info). Kajiura is not against them using her music that she wrote for them, and every time they sing her music her creativity is highlighted again and again. There's no way to divorce her presence from her music, no matter if SC or Sony or anyone wants that to be the case.
toshiroukajiura said:
No, they are not Kajiura’s mere tools. However, I don’t like seeing Kalafina girls or SPACECRAFT related people treat Kajiura’s music like a mere tool in making money or in still promoting them.
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I don't whether it was that ancient Kajiura blog with the story of the lady playing a guy as an instrument and discarding instruments that are not useful to her, that brought up the idea of Kajiura seeing her singers as tools. There is a reality of the producer having a vision for a song, and pushing the singer to provide what is required for the performance, and we know Kajiura has a strong vision for her music (like Revo).

Your point about Spacecraft using Kajiura's music to make money while actively distancing her name from the performance of her music is the whole reason I'm beefing with them no matter what anyone says. That's just wrong! Though I've come to realize it's an industry thing. I may have said before that I heard somewhere that Taylor Swift had to re-record one or some of her early hit albums and re-release in her name, because when she originally recorded the industry label took advantage of her and controlled her music and the revenue that came with it.

I really think Kajiura leaving SC was to retake control of her career and her music creation/publishing.
toshiroukajiura said:
Kalafina individually they are good singers, together they can harmonize well BUT it takes a YUKI KAJIURA to make them sound like KALAFINA.
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On this for me, I think their harmony skills outside of Kajiura's direction are pretty basic. I say this because when I have seen them sing live and impromptu, and they select a classic Japanese song or holiday song to sing, the harmony they choose are not often very inventive - just the basic. This is nothing against them, they just harmonize better when they're singing what is already created by Kajiura, and just adding their emotive abilities to that foundation.

They are not composers so they can't reharmonize Kajiura's leads spontaneously not to talk of her harmonies. I've said before that any other composer/songwriter they eventually work with has to be good with vocal harmony writing and can't just rely on the girls to work together and create their own harmonies from scratch. Kalafina cannot escape harmony.

I am not sure how much our FJ singers can create their own complex harmonies, if they had to continue without Kajiura in some alternate universe. Since they are all primarily solo artists, and I do not think they are embedded in continuous harmony work outside of FJ (apart from Joelle and Kaori that sang Revo's stuff in the past), it's interesting to consider how Kajiura's music has influenced their own musicality in their solo work when they have to sing multiple vocal parts.

I gotta say, having a strong soul/gospel background requires you to do a lot of harmony singing and even transpose parts and so on, sometimes spontaneously, and jazz enables you to have strong soloistic "cadenzas" in a lead context, where you're creating complex runs and trying out melodic changes on the fly. Having this ability enables you to more easily create interesting harmonies if you have to write them yourself.

Kajiura's vocal arrangement is more choral in structure, and ties in with the instrumentational super-structure, so significantly changing it up would require rewriting or rearranging the music as well, in my opinion.
 
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Would Kalafina as invidividual vocalists stand out without Kajiura bringing them together? Probably not. As soloists? Maybe yes, maybe no. But, the thing that got me and many others into Kalafina in the first place wasn't JUST Kajiura'a composition and vocal arrangement - it was also Wakana's angelic, haunting, melancholic voice and Keiko's incredible lower harmony. When I heard Oblivious for the first after watching Kara no Kyoukai, that was it. The moment I fell in love with Kalafina's music which introduced me to the rest of Kajiura's repertoire. Once Hikaru came into the fray with Aria, I knew I stumbled onto something special.

I did go back and listen to her pre-KnK songs (FJ Yuuka and See Saw and the some of the OSTs) and while there are sprinklings of it in a few places, I'd argue Kajiura's now signature harmony writing didn't really come together until 2007 with Kara no Kyoukai and Kalafina forming as a result. At least, the very promiment lower harmonies, which you have to credit Keiko for bringing it to life as well with her incredible execution, wasn't at all synonymous with Kajiura's brand until KnK and Kalafina (and later with FictionJunction and her FJ lives as well). If Kajiura wrote the recipe, it's her vocalists and musicians that bake the damn cake. It's the same thing I see when people argue about writers vs actors - an actor needs good lines just as much as a director and writer needs a good actor, and neither can be easily replaced once you find that rapport and synergy.

I mean, for the longest time, Wakana was THE voice of YK, and I'm more than certain that Kajiura herself found a lot of inspiration and wrote songs she never would have wrote or thought about writing if not for Kalafina's own voices, which she herself has admitted to on multiple occasions.
 
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