As for evidence, got to animelist, Neogaf, foolz, random reviews, korean english sites, and Stage48,and plurk. Not to mention, the deep search all the way to the back.
George: Facebook is good as a dedication site. It is by no means good when it finding out whether the artist is sinking, submerging, floating, or flying. Youtube is a bit less than a mix bag. It is still lacking variety and balance over comments and videos.
Cerise, You hit one major point, which pretty much why most people wouldn't treat Kalafina in high regards to other kaijura artist. I find the comments from those sites to quite two faced. One minute they are nice, next they are like piranhas attacking a straggling fish. There isn't any breathing room for they are force in a direction. They don't say that "Kalafina is good", they are better than every single artist...". Even better than insert super stars in Japan is the end. Seriously, it gets over-exaggerate more than it could be. In a way, it becomes just a one-up game. I have no qualm when they are being treated like idolmasters, akb48, and other group. Kalafina status, more or less, is a de facto/pseudo idol group. You may not like seeing that way, but when comes to new people and returning people. It becomes more important than you may think. Other idols learn the hard way that too much fluffing does hurt them. Idols still find a way to bounce back despite the scandals. Whether it is new or old groups, the found a rabbit role to an exit. The real term for in in advertising in puffery.
..Cerise, there selling image is innocent. As for whether the are actual innocent, that requires statements from Sony, Kalafina, Kaijura. There is an issue as with any sales approach. The innocent approach loses its effectiveness. Other times, it is just hard to tell whether it is innocent for real. A little less social media more not less in this way. For you no longer can tell, whether they are being them. If it was a square personality, it help a wee bit more due to the lack of releases. It helps a lot, when they are idols to have as much. In a sense, it keepers them intact as strange as that sounds. The only two options are gray or black. It is a very small tight rope to walk across.
Cerise, the Kalafina fandom are the second leading cause. General kaijura fan are very balance not to trigger somethings unless it has to be done. Anytime Magia, Kalafina, Madoka are mention all hell breaks loose. Seriously, even TMR as bad as he is, didn't cause something like this. Madoka fandom is literally the number one problem, then Kaijura. Non-Kaijura is either hate completely, used to like, or like certain parts. Newer is a mixed bag in general despite having more mass to them. There are literally threads on threads when it comes to kaijura.
Cerise, you understand analogy. think of this way with a boat. Had Wakana, Keiko, Hikaru, and Kaijua stop at seventh heaven or a bit earlier. A lot of this can be avoided. There would not be a hole in the first place. Oppose to now, where they are desperately dumping water out. I consider Kalafina "good", when they are treated as a non-issue as with Yuuka Nanri and other Kaijura singers. Furthermore, I haven't seen that fans of other Kaijura singers that aren't Kalafina go to this resort unless its needed, other no. Sure, a few minor spat, but nothing to defame to this degree. I didn't see that many backhand style comments for other kaijura singers. Every-time Kalafina typed, it skyrockets to a ridiculous degree and not in a good way. F/Z lead to KnK, then to SAO and which loops to other Wakana and Keiko a lot. They don't give Emily enough. And the comments on Yuuka are literally hateful. Kaori can be quite bad as well, just not to low they treat Yuuka and Yuriko. Yuriko gets shunned as much as Yuuka. They had plenty of time to address it this issue. A little less fawning over fans would at least give them a surefire notice about this issue. Instead of fake the faking issue, when really it has been real the entire time.
Now, Cerise, I hope you understand what it mean to be actual PC and see the glass half full and empty. This is the true reflections.
Martin: As for Sony, I don't believe it entirely there fault either. Since they are in same boat as you, sure they are making money, how is that any different from any other artist under their label. Also, It wouldn't make sense for Sony to completely dependent on Kalafina. It makes sense for Hikaru to try to get fame since she starting out. It's her leap frog platform. Sort of like scnansho for Yuuka. Did you also factor the Wakana, Keiko wanted even more fame, since that is important. After all, they are reaping the rewards are the not. One does not give up to something unless they have something Sony have. Which is why it must consider everything in every way. A lot of things don't look like what they appear. Keep in my mind they have to be quite square not to be. Otherwise, it is against their character behavior. Of course, I'm not expecting to be perfect venue and other things that come with it. The releases does mean a lot in this case. Kaori does shoulder the heavy load when it comes to the tracks. Yuuka also has more opportunity as well. It keeps it in equilibrium and have more reason to sell from this way. That is where Kaijura's ace or joker is. There is a good reason why Kaijura is being quiet on this issue. They can sell the way the want for it has the best potential, as spiteful it may seem. It also encompass FJC as the basis, which does alleviate a lot of the pressure . Sony look like shameless pick-pock when it comes selling Kalafina in my opinion. At the same time, I don't think Sony wants to image to be associated with them.
bevan: For a lot of response that way against, is the amount of hype and fandom dynamics. Most of the media reports sugarcoats things too much. So, just use them as overview. The thing is most people projected expectation of Kalafina is to have something like FJY, Chiaki, Emily, Saeko, Debs. Instead, way more mediocre than way they expect. They wanted something to blow them off their seats. Even if its just lyrically. it doesn't have too much of that either. A better arrangement, go farther than you think.
EX: Jay Chou's voice is ordinary, but his lyrical arrangements from his friend and him are grand. They really do know to hit a bulls-eye. It sounds even better with the right vocalist. That goes far either personality, lyrics, and style counts.
Kirito: There is a major difference is that Lisa can be a personality when she wants to be. It is why Mizuka Nana, and other idols can get way with it. If Kalafina could to the the same exactly, it wouldn't even be an issue at all.
Hatouchan: It isn't one incident though. Had it been a one-off it would have disappeared by now. The problem now is its building up, rather than lowering or disappearing. That tells me there are too many hidden things under the surface. There are submerge tone for certain people where you know something is fishy. I seen a lot of argument almost pause, freeze, pause, then at the mention of Kalafina. The main response is the roll of the eye as a list flows out. It doesn't stop though. If they made their point as an actual point, it wouldn't continue. They don't even need new songs, as the previous sort of done decent job borderline. It isn't the arrogance the is the issue either. The majority of the problem is them shoving your opinion as my opinion. When really, it is person to decide.As well as gagging, that does increase the problem as well. Since there times between certain responds that they wanted to put more, but they will hounded for it.
Hatouchan, I been in forum before call HJU early on that is similar to cpm forum in dynamics in a scary way. They learn that is still has to be vented. Putting duck-tape across everyone does not address the issues. It was always black and white when it comes addressing issues. Even worse when it comes the enforcement that doesn't work, until the stop being so laid back and took it seriously. I wasn't banned, but there is so much paranoia.
Grunty: Aren't you being coy. Let's not kid ourselves, you know how detrimental this issue is. I know how sharp you are. I'm fairly certain, if you are as square as I am on this. This is issue guaranteed, there is no doubts about it.
Shadow/Alex: It started after seventh seven and or even earlier. Had they had a better record, a lot of people wouldn't even complain. The thing is that they don''t have a good image. It isn't about the numbers of threads. It is about seeing them what for who they are. Did you ever think for second? They blurred their image to the point where it may impact their personal life. This is not a joking matter.
...there are lots of dislikes with the upcoming Alnoah Zero. There is a reason you tread carefully when it comes to hyping, if you don't keep it low. It will burn against in way you don't want to imagine. It is literally an out of control wildfire.
I only wanted to show that actually I didn't hear the audiences making any loud noise because of the loud speakers. In fact, if I remember it correctly the audiences are calmer on Kalafina's part than on babymetal's - that was really loud it beat the loud speakers.
