Kalafina Post-Kajiura thread (Upd: Kalafina appeared at Animax Musix 2026)

He (she?) even implied Kajiura is jealous of the ladies´ recent success.
Ha..ha..HAHAHAHA! How is that even possible. I will resist the urge to poke at the ladies (maybe the post was an attempt to gaslight us into doing that, who knows?). I will just say that Kajiura is more successful/visible with her own projects (FictionJunction, carrying her own name) than ever before, writing multiple songs for one of the biggest anime of all time and a game-changing record breaker - Demon Slayer). Kalafina is sadly, mostly nostalgic in its discography with anime that are over a decade old or so (we can say the same with a lot of classic FJ songs), but Kajiura has moved far past her Kalafina discography; even if they are favorites they are mostly older.

Im sure Emiko despite young has alot of experience already from her solo and musicals. She did just fine with black rose and in vol21
Excuse me, but Emiko did excellent with "black rose", not just fine! 😏👌🏽 She brought a totally new energy into the FJ universe in YKL21 (different from Kaori, Keiko, Hikaru, who have been the historically energetic/edgy Kajiura girls) - bright and dark at the same time - and her "Destination" was for me a definitive second version with Yuuka's original. She's not really a gentle, sentimental ballad singer (like Joelle, Yuuka, etc.) so those kinds of songs may require a bit more refinement that I hope she develops more over time. It will make her a more complete singer though she's already quite versatile. For comparison, look at Floor Jansen (who I've been watching recently) who has classical, pop, musical theatre, rock, and metal skill. Emiko is more pop, soul, and a tinge of rock - I am waiting for a darker/mysterious symphonic rock-style song for Emiko, something in the vein of Magia and the dark bridge of "Shine in the Cruel Night").

But I wont deny that Kalafina itself is more famous than YK.
Kajiura did not massively push her popularity as an artist, preferring to let her music speak for her, and staying in studios, but we can say she's more of a composer and doesn't like the "I'm an artist, look at me" spotlight. If she was a more forward character like Sawano (I know I mention him from time to time) she would have presented herself more and gotten more notoriety around Kalafina's music.

Still surprises me though that Parade album was able to make the oricon top 10 chart.
It's a great sign that she's starting to come back. I am hoping her next album also has that kind of impact. I liked her MC in the NHK x NPR session, where she said that she feels like she's just starting... I like that spirit for her, breaking new gate(s).

I would say Kajiura is now much more intentional about her artistic positioning and collaboration, not just working with vocalists she likes or are in her management company, but she's big enough to be approached by artists who are larger than life to create big events/attraction around their shared music.

They would obey Kajiura then. Instead they think YK should've been the first to be understanding of everyone's feelings and "let it go". ;p
Kajiura should be the "bigger" person (even though they are all professionals). Kajiura should bend over backwards and accept the loss of face because she's a successful composer (even though culturally, generation-wise, and pedigree-wise she shouldn't). Kajiura should not perform her music (sorry, Kalafina's music) out of respect for their legacy and their attempt at reinvention (even though she brought the group into existence). Lots of logical gaps in those arguments, I have to say...

Yuki's choices of singers are well-thought-out, and her music is great.
Yep. She chose ALL OF THEM, giving many of them the music that exposed them (and remains their defining music), leading to their careers taking off. I keep saying if solo/in group they only got to sing generic J-pop or rock songs, maybe they would still have some exposure, but they would probably just blend into the mass of same-sounding JPop artists (I do still feel Hikaru had potential to be really unique as a solo artist, if she had the right support/collaborators/training early on). Kalafina is a unique group because they sing Kajiura's unique music, and sing harmony in Kajiura-style (look at their harmony work outside of Kajiura, much simpler arrangements).

Anyway, I am ready to keep checking any of those wrong vibes put out on these forums. I won't go to someone-out-there's forum dynasty world to argue this though, since they are severely biased against Kajiura, and wouldn't entertain looking at things from both sides.
 
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Excuse me, but Emiko did excellent with "black rose", not just fine! 😏👌🏽 She brought a totally new energy into the FJ universe in YKL21 (different from Kaori, Keiko, Hikaru, who have been the historically energetic/edgy Kajiura girls) - bright and dark at the same time - and her "Destination" was for me a definitive second version with Yuuka's original. She's not really a gentle, sentimental ballad singer (like Joelle, Yuuka, etc.) so those kinds of songs may require a bit more refinement that I hope she develops more over time. It will make her a more complete singer though she's already quite versatile. For comparison, look at Floor Jansen (who I've been watching recently) who has classical, pop, musical theatre, rock, and metal skill. Emiko is more pop, soul, and a tinge of rock - I am waiting for a darker/mysterious symphonic rock-style song for Emiko, something in the vein of Magia and the dark bridge of "Shine in the Cruel Night").


Yes, by fine i meant in comparison to Keiko, she was just as good in that song, which means she adapts quickly to new situation / environments. The "Yeaahh" part was what made the song more of a festive track. She also brings in the wider vocal range, which can be valuable depending on the song.
 
It’s not really an opinion. The quality of the voices of Fictionjunction is better than the Kalafina girls at the moment. I really wish I am wrong but I am not. As someone working in the music industry, all I can say is their voices in Kalafina does not fit the Kajiura standards today. Kajiura’s Tiny Desk concert allowed us to hear what the Fictionjunction singers sound like in raw and unedited form, with NO MONITORS and NO STUDIO MAGIC. Fact.

Opinion : I only think Kalafina is relevant for nostalgia purposes and not really for their skills per se. Don’t get me wrong, THEY ARE good singers. But they are not top picks in the Anisong world and among thousands of competitors of singers in the Ani-song world, it’s hard to find a place for them.

Fact: Kalafina need studio magic to sound really good. And I wish this will change.

Again, not a ragebait. But my assessment.
 
It’s not really an opinion. The quality of the voices of Fictionjunction is better than the Kalafina girls at the moment. I really wish I am wrong but I am not. As someone working in the music industry, all I can say is their voices in Kalafina does not fit the Kajiura standards today. Kajiura’s Tiny Desk concert allowed us to hear what the Fictionjunction singers sound like in raw and unedited form, with NO MONITORS and NO STUDIO MAGIC. Fact.

Opinion : I only think Kalafina is relevant for nostalgia purposes and not really for their skills per se. Don’t get me wrong, THEY ARE good singers. But they are not top picks in the Anisong world and among thousands of competitors of singers in the Ani-song world, it’s hard to find a place for them.

Fact: Kalafina need studio magic to sound really good. And I wish this will change.

Again, not a ragebait. But my assessment.
couldn’t have said it better myself! agreeee
 
Yes absolutely, FictionJunctions, the junctions Kajiura are still making, are infinitely better, objectively.

It is very difficult to pull off live performance with no magic. and... I never once cringed in tinydesk (save some of Kaori's bits but then Saber pointed it out and then I paid more attention).

whereas Hikaru and Wakana... have vocal issues. I enjoy the nostalgia and sometimes they do sound good now but objectively better than FJ? No. Believing otherwise is just plain incorrect. You love Kalafina as a group and their singing? Perfect, me too, I'm just a couple years too slow.
 
It’s not really an opinion. The quality of the voices of Fictionjunction is better than the Kalafina girls at the moment. I really wish I am wrong but I am not. As someone working in the music industry, all I can say is their voices in Kalafina does not fit the Kajiura standards today. Kajiura’s Tiny Desk concert allowed us to hear what the Fictionjunction singers sound like in raw and unedited form, with NO MONITORS and NO STUDIO MAGIC. Fact.

Opinion : I only think Kalafina is relevant for nostalgia purposes and not really for their skills per se. Don’t get me wrong, THEY ARE good singers. But they are not top picks in the Anisong world and among thousands of competitors of singers in the Ani-song world, it’s hard to find a place for them.

Fact: Kalafina need studio magic to sound really good. And I wish this will change.

Again, not a ragebait. But my assessment.
Lol it's a ragebait 🤣
Because no one asked for a comparison in the first place.
I also don't know your experience with music, but
Wakana's voice didn't become "bad," but rather her singing style changed.
It is no longer suitable for kalafina's songs
This is what someone I know very well, who is knowledgeable about music, said.
That's just your opinion.
 
All you have to do is compare their singing now to 12 years ago. I was in Paris at the time for Japan Expo and it was my first ever Kalafina concert, and they (all 3, Wakana, Keiko and even Hikaru) were fan-fucking-tastic.

There are recordings of it on YouTube as well which don't do the live experience any justice (I was completely mesmerised in person) but even these bootlegs show the night and day difference from this and their most recent live, which still has touches of pitch correction in songs like ARIA:
https://youtu.be/jB648Diw2VE

Wakana was so unbelievably good here and her head voice didn't have that grating quality she has now. It still wasn't as strong as back in 2008-2011 but it wasn't unlistenable at all and still blended well.
 
Yes absolutely, FictionJunctions, the junctions Kajiura are still making, are infinitely better, objectively.

It is very difficult to pull off live performance with no magic. and... I never once cringed in tinydesk (save some of Kaori's bits but then Saber pointed it out and then I paid more attention).

whereas Hikaru and Wakana... have vocal issues. I enjoy the nostalgia and sometimes they do sound good now but objectively better than FJ? No. Believing otherwise is just plain incorrect. You love Kalafina as a group and their singing? Perfect, me too, I'm just a couple years too slow.
"sometimes they do sound good"
This is exactly the observation.
It's not "sometimes sound good".
The reason is that kalafina is a group consisting of three vocals and a musical ensemble that works together.
Wakana and Hikaru's singing style has changed, and even Keiko
If you notice, Kiko's voice has become softer and louder, and she now relies on it instead of her previous low voice (This is amazing; she controls both.)
I don't know if you know or not, but Wakana has already stated that she can no longer sing kalafina songs like the past
In addition, the musical band also changed. With a seven-year gap, how can you expect them to sing in the same way?!
In addition, the studio's magic works with all teams worldwide, not just kalafina.
Do you say that fj don't use that magic
 
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In terms of fame, yes, it's clear that Yuki is currently more famous than kalafina.
They only returned after seven years for a memorial concert, so of course they wouldn't have that level of fame. And by the way, neither kalafina nor Yuki are that famous if we get out from the anime area
But does this mean that fame is even a measure?
Yuki's music is nothing short of legendary compared to what other famous bands that topping the oricon charts
For example, Kokia She is a legendary singer, yet since the beginning of her career she has never achieved fame.
Perhaps she is better than the singers Fj All the current ones are singing her song "Nostalgia" with Yuki You can listen to it until you die
 
It’s not really an opinion. The quality of the voices of Fictionjunction is better than the Kalafina girls at the moment. I really wish I am wrong but I am not. As someone working in the music industry, all I can say is their voices in Kalafina does not fit the Kajiura standards today. Kajiura’s Tiny Desk concert allowed us to hear what the Fictionjunction singers sound like in raw and unedited form, with NO MONITORS and NO STUDIO MAGIC. Fact.

Opinion : I only think Kalafina is relevant for nostalgia purposes and not really for their skills per se. Don’t get me wrong, THEY ARE good singers. But they are not top picks in the Anisong world and among thousands of competitors of singers in the Ani-song world, it’s hard to find a place for them.

Fact: Kalafina need studio magic to sound really good. And I wish this will change.

Again, not a ragebait. But my assessment.
To be fair, a fair number of Kalafina songs are much more difficult to sing than something like Parade or Sokyuu no Fanfare (these two are like some of the easiest songs to sing in the Kajiura discography). Even someone as vocally exceptional as Joelle can't nail down Aria.
 
I would challenge "the change in style" narrative. This is untrue but I think everyone here agrees that Wakana/Hikaru can't sing as well as they used to, even Wakana herself seems to admit it.

Perhaps the extent to which changes in style vs. vocal problems affect performance may be debated. I would heavily lean on the latter.

12 yrs ago, yes, they were good (Saber's link)! I'd posted a link for a past adore live immediately after listening to their most recent one :o

Kalafina songs are more difficult!

FJ use magic too of course! Magic can only correct so much though. Well...
 
All you have to do is compare their singing now to 12 years ago. I was in Paris at the time for Japan Expo and it was my first ever Kalafina concert, and they (all 3, Wakana, Keiko and even Hikaru) were fan-fucking-tastic.

There are recordings of it on YouTube as well which don't do the live experience any justice (I was completely mesmerised in person) but even these bootlegs show the night and day difference from this and their most recent live, which still has touches of pitch correction in songs like ARIA:
https://youtu.be/jB648Diw2VE

Wakana was so unbelievably good here and her head voice didn't have that grating quality she has now. It still wasn't as strong as back in 2008-2011 but it wasn't unlistenable at all and still blended well.
You're right, but what I wanted to say and correct is that the difference in quality isn't because Wakana and Hikaru's voices have become "bad," but rather that their singing style has changed. For example, bring in a top-notch pop or rock singer and ask them to sing kalafina's songs; of course, they won't sing them well, not because they're bad.
and thanks for the link ♥
 
I think apart from style changes and suitability, the idea ak originally wanted to point out - and the discussions that followed had unfortunately derailed from it - is just that there are many people who like and prefer voices and sounds that are not objectively 'good' by certain standards (or professional standards if you prefer), because imperfections can of course be appealing too. This is the same for any form of art, right? That's why I also agree that toshirou could have phrased his words better in that 'ragebait' post because at that moment it just looked like a trigger for argument... :XD:

Now, discussions about the girls' deteriorating quality and performance have happened a billion times, and while a lot of points are being repeated all the time I somehow still get interested in reading them/enjoying them... I guess it's because whether positive or negative these comments always link back to good old memories...

Thank you Saber for sharing the Paris performance. I've only ever watched it once and barely remembered anything, so I'm having a nice time reminiscing. :'(
 
It’s not really an opinion. The quality of the voices of Fictionjunction is better than the Kalafina girls at the moment. I really wish I am wrong but I am not. As someone working in the music industry, all I can say is their voices in Kalafina does not fit the Kajiura standards today. Kajiura’s Tiny Desk concert allowed us to hear what the Fictionjunction singers sound like in raw and unedited form, with NO MONITORS and NO STUDIO MAGIC. Fact.

Opinion : I only think Kalafina is relevant for nostalgia purposes and not really for their skills per se. Don’t get me wrong, THEY ARE good singers. But they are not top picks in the Anisong world and among thousands of competitors of singers in the Ani-song world, it’s hard to find a place for them.

Fact: Kalafina need studio magic to sound really good. And I wish this will change.

Again, not a ragebait. But my assessment.
i had to agree that for now, their kalafina's harmony is nowhere near as it was back then. and of course FJ is better than kalafina at this point, they have new singers and still have kajiura's touch. well i think it's totally normal, i mean what could we expect of three person singing together after 7 years not doing so?

well, it just me, but i still hope they could release something new, something that fit them better than their old songs.
"sometimes they do sound good"
This is exactly the observation.
It's not "sometimes sound good".
The reason is that kalafina is a group consisting of three vocals and a musical ensemble that works together.
Wakana and Hikaru's singing style has changed, and even Keiko
If you notice, Kiko's voice has become softer and louder, and she now relies on it instead of her previous low voice (This is amazing; she controls both.)
I don't know if you know or not, but Wakana has already stated that she can no longer sing kalafina songs like the past
In addition, the musical band also changed. With a seven-year gap, how can you expect them to sing in the same way?!
In addition, the studio's magic works with all teams worldwide, not just kalafina.
Do you say that fj don't use that magic
hi, i didn't know Wakana stated something like that. it's true that some of kalafina's song doesn't suit her style anymore. but i hope she keeps singing those song. Wakana is the one who brings me the world of kalafina and i don't mean to discredit Keiko or Hikaru but for me kalafina's voice is Wakana.
 
Lol it's a ragebait 🤣
Because no one asked for a comparison in the first place.
I also don't know your experience with music, but
Wakana's voice didn't become "bad," but rather her singing style changed.
It is no longer suitable for kalafina's songs
This is what someone I know very well, who is knowledgeable about music, said.
That's just your opinion.
Have you heard Wakana’s voice without the studio edit ? For example the raw Kalafina 2025 anniversary live! Not the TBS version that you see.
Wakana’s voice didn’t get bad? NOW THAT IS YOUR OPINION.
I love Wakana and her voice is what has drawn me in the Kajiura world, BUT YOU have to admit Wakana’s voice became worse. Her tremolo is so bad it hurts. She cannot shift her voice well anymore. She needs to really UP HER GAME.
 
To be fair, a fair number of Kalafina songs are much more difficult to sing than something like Parade or Sokyuu no Fanfare (these two are like some of the easiest songs to sing in the Kajiura discography). Even someone as vocally exceptional as Joelle can't nail down Aria.
A number of Kalafina songs, yeah may be difficult, but was made by Kajiura based on their voices and singing capabilities.

I think what made them sound worse are the lack of proper vocal exercises needed when they did their solos. Their voices changed after that A LOT.
AHHHH. I miss their 2008 Aria. That was the best in my opinion.
 
Once again, commenting on their voices is not a ragebait. But oh well, you are free to think what you guys like 😂

of course, studio magic is used by almost all artists when performing especially filmed performances.
It’s purpose is to smooth out vocals to make it sound good.
What made it so bad ( Kalafina 2026 anniv ) is that the studio magic sounded WAY MORE OBVIOUS. You can hear it blatantly fixing their voices. That only means they were so out of tune because studio magic can only do so much.

Fictionjunction now is more disciplined in their performances than the Kalafina anniversary. The musicians are talented but it sounded like they were competing. For example, pianist has no control in his riffs, unlike Sakurada who knows how to truly blend with the band and vocalists.

I just miss the times I was blown away but Kalafina. That’s all. And I religiously adore them even from before. But I just have to admit that their harmonies right now is not up to Kajiura standards. Yeahh
 
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