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Yuki Kajiura to compose for "FSN Heaven's Feel" movies [part III: Spring Song > Spring 2020]

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
I can't with she is her Hero... I just can't...

So far it really almost feels like SAO movie. Random short bursts of music among sfx or slowstrings... which also happen to be short lol.

And yes, still think presage flower version of Kasahara's track > lost butterfly one. I know some thought the old one was v random and chaotic but I think it is this one that has zero flow.

V unconventional Kajiura @ he still can't choose his future. inb4 someone links another Kajiura track that is exactly this. lol.

Dang he goes,she goes... Caught me by surprise lol. Too bad it's not even a track...

she rules the battlefield... lol... I don't know... when that drum kicked in with the choir I laughed...

Wtf is going on with that reverb on the choir in He comes back again and again. That's some artistic choice... lol...

Nightmare tracks are cool like I remembered.

gloomy tension seems like it was done the day before Ocean Turtle from Alicization lol.

Oshi... the beginning of the end...

Love the sound of An invitation from the old man's first part. And I like I beg you strings in these last tracks.
 
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Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
Yuki Kajiura brings so much to the atmosphere but listening to this soundtrack separately is so boring.
Many tracks (should I even call it like that ?) should have been fused in order to make one coherent track.

So disappointed by "He comes back again and again", the live version was 12 times better.
- First, the drums were way louder and nearly bombastic
- Then, Hitoshi Konno's solo violin was way more expressive than an army of strings
- And FictionJunction Choirs were really better than Tokyo Konsei, so much more reverb and at the same time you could listen distinctly to each vocal range.

Overall I like this soundtrack because I'm in the epic stuff, but I'm disappointed that YK pays more attention to others shows like SAO, while Fate's lore is way more complex and the franchise is an essential pillar in Japanese anime industry.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Yuki Kajiura brings so much to the atmosphere but listening to this soundtrack separately is so boring.
Many tracks (should I even call it like that ?) should have been fused in order to make one coherent track.
While I agree - I'm glad there's a movie version of the OST available. They can do that if they do a standalone Music Collection for Heaven's Feel.
 

Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
While I agree - I'm glad there's a movie version of the OST available. They can do that if they do a standalone Music Collection for Heaven's Feel.
Yeah, I'm waiting for this 20 min length tracks collection. LOL. I live in a candy land, just like our dear Heaven's Feel protagonist.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
So yeh, finally finished.

I think this OST was an experiment for YK. There were so many passages when I went "well okay then, miss Kajiura..." On the flipside of this, there's also so much cheese, lol. Still, gotta applaud trying new things, eh? We'll see how that goes into spring song.
 

Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
So yeh, finally finished.

I think this OST was an experiment for YK. There were so many passages when I went "well okay then, miss Kajiura..." On the flipside of this, there's also so much cheese, lol. Still, gotta applaud trying new things, eh? We'll see how that goes into spring song.
Not bad but for me it's more like she didn't want to do he job completely. The same melody comes back again and again (no joke intended) and most of the tracks end abruptly, or are so inconsistent...
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Not bad but for me it's more like she didn't want to do he job completely.
Well I can't comment on this because I've not seen the movie yet. I only have some idea after skipping through the cam for the OST 6 months ago...
 

Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
^ I thought you did, talking about the nightmare tracks. Or did you listen to many samples ?
But i’m not talking about the movie in this last comment, only the music itself.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Yea but how can you say "she didn't want to do the job completely" without taking the movie into account. Her job was scoring the movie, not making a listenable CD, lol.

I only skipped through the cam rip audio but since I know the story, I have an idea of what was what.
 

Lorde-Kowz

I have reached Yuki nirvana
It's nice that we didn't have to wait a week.
Too lazy to review all of them so I'll just comment on the ones that stood out the most for me.
-Hurrying to the library: I like them cool beats with the strings. Too bad is too short.
-You shouldn't have come here at all: Considering where it's used, I think Remi would've been more fitting. It's not really an epic fight. Also too short.
-Something I can do: Strings + kewl guitar. Reminds me of the Sprinter instrumentals from KnK 5.
-She is her Hero: kek. It's not a bad track really, but it was so random in the movie. Would like a full length version of it.
-The butterfly emerge: I really love that evil intro and the part with the IBY motif, but it would've been better if it was all original + IBY instead of a IBY+HnU leitmotif mash up. The vocal parts feel like they were forced into the song.
-He still can't choose his future: I like the flow on the strings part. The bells are a nice touch. Makes it less generic strings track.
-There is a crack: mmm mmm I like me some creepy haunting tracks.
-She rules the Battlefield: Chants are cool, but I wish the choir in general would sing actual melodies. The drums are an interesting choice. Don't like those sudden stops and ending.
-He comes back again and again: Definitely needs a bit more reverb hue. Again, I wish the choir could have more melodies to sing instead of just chant. Love that glorious Kasahara ending.
-What else can we do: bretty good orchestra-ish Kajiura. Not sure if I like the guitar. Fug that abrupt ending.
-Petals and butterfly: man, this was a good opportunity to flesh out this theme and make it a full fledged vocal song... instead it was just repeat the same melodies twice.
-My stomach is rumbling!: These songs are cute!
-Some sweet candies: CUTE! (I love me some creepy, evil waltzes)
-Can you save her?: Again, KnK 5/Sprinter vibes until it goes all dark hue.
-The Lost Butterfly: :hearts:
-He goes, she goes , Outbreak of War, Gloomy tension, An invitation from the old man: ambience I liked~

I agree that the music fits the movie almost perfectly (ahem, she is her hero). There are a lot of short tracks, but that's to be expected from a 2hr movie. Still wish they were longer hue. Some tracks could definitely benefit from that.
While I found the soundtrack enjoyable, I hope the music in Spring Song is better than the previous movies.

Now let's wait two weeks for Alicization 3 and El Melon!
 
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Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
Yea but how can you say "she didn't want to do the job completely" without taking the movie into account. Her job was scoring the movie, not making a listenable CD, lol.
I think that the job should go beyond that. First making a listenable CD, then edit it to fit the scenes, that's my personal opinion as a listener but also that of some others very well known composers who think this way.
But I understand, and I'm not so much complaining about this CD's format that I can enjoy in a way.
 

wat11

Yuki is lord of heaven and earth
Avant-Title: I actually like the strings here a lot. Also there is some Zaregoto here.
Hurrying to the library: a less intense ver of that madoka track. I like it.
she is her hero : what the eh /
what she was hiding: falls into the category of coolforthemoviebutboringalone.
The butterfly emerge: nice play with strings but the vocals sound as if they started at the wrong moment, ah really bad.
He still can't choose his future : LOVE this one. such a nice smooth strings + bell track. bells give it an ethereal feel:)
Let's go home together: Kajiura, don't write strings tracks like this, please . there are twenty+ of them now.
she rules the battlefield: yuck, real bad. sudden stops are really annoying.
He comes back and again: like the strings melody but Tokyo Konsei is underpowered for sure.
What else can we do: like the feel of it but too short and too abrupt an ending.
petals and butterfly : eh no sorry. sounds too much like a hanae madoka track.
my stomach is rumbling*somesweetcandies: nice. should have been one track.
The lost butterfly : yep, this I like very much too.

it's sure epic but the sound is all wrong to me. most likely they all worked great in the movie. I'd give this a 6 but only because I think Kajiura tried some new things but I think the choir work and arrangements were hurried and hence turned out to be awkward...

Dear Yuki Kajiura: You once wrote "Battle vs Yuriev" in Xenosaga III. That's the way to write "she rules the battlefield". Thanks :) (imo) (with respect to Tokyo Konsei & strings & the whole flow of the song) or gosh TESTAMENT! YOU WROTE TESTAMENT! where is that Tokyo Konsei ? ?? makes my blood boil :( or We've got to believe something ah... me cries
 
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Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
Track lengths finally updated on VGMdb
I'm glad I didn't see it before, because I actually enjoyed the OST without taking care about the duration.

Still no link to download it ?
EDIT: it's on HnA now.
 
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george1234

Moderator
Wow that was scary ! Compared to this ost's scariness knk is kids show. Overall the whole soundtrack feels like a huge medley but unlike knk the tracks are not flowing in a way that doesnt get boring (melody-less sfx dont help). The interesting part here is how the other instruments (eg: drums musicbox, harp) combine with the strings, and not the strings themselves which are for the most part boring as hell (maybe that was intended ? Lol). Also the battle parts start way too abruptly and i dont like that, but, i guess, that reflects well sakura's shifts from kindness to craze and her confusion ? I havent seen the movie yet. Overall the ost is pretty forgetable and the best tracks were the musicbox, a string one near the beggining and the remi trailer song. Also i want that muffled sfx melody track thats near the end to be properly played it seems like melody would give beautiful piece. I do also like the beats on here but are way too short too. Full review later today 😈
 

Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
not the strings themselves which are for the most part boring as hell (maybe that was intended ? Lol).
I have the heaven's feeling that it's really intended. Sharp, squeaky, piercing strings all over the soundtrack, with lacking of other instruments, making you feel really bad. If she wanted to do a Fate/Zero like soundtrack, she could have easily added horns and drums in a more heroic way. But that's not the route of Sakura, defined by tragedy, loneliness and dark twists (in my humble opinion).
It creates a real atmosphere, yet I'm wondering if it was the best idea to do it like that...
I think she also wanted to differ from KnK which had more low-pitched sounds.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
I think that the job should go beyond that. First making a listenable CD, then edit it to fit the scenes, that's my personal opinion as a listener but also that of some others very well known composers who think this way.
Like who? What movie composer edits their film score from album versions? (Putting soundtracks based on songs aside and ignoring situations like Alien where the editor basically rejected the original score and edited the soundtrack from the same composer's other movies as well as others - that was not the composer's choice or doing.)
CD versions being different from film versions is standard practice (for standalone "flow", $$$ or whatever other reasons) but I don't think I've heard any composer say they edited a film score from final commercial versions.

Anyways, I've probably flipped my opinion again and again on what an "OST" release should be over the years (whether it should flow as a standalone or just be the goddamn score that I heard in the movie) but, to stay on topic, all I know is:
I'd be very very very sad if all I got from Kara no Kyoukai was just the Music Collection, without the "complete" individual OST tokutens.

Edit: added again and again :) and final
 
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Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
^ Hmm maybe I'm wrong or maybe I didn't understand what you want to say.
Movie composers never edit film scores from album versions, but some of them edit them from experiments that are studio exclusives.
I think that some hollywood composers spend much time for the recording before thinking about editing the tracks for the movie. They call it the "Recording Sessions", you certainly know it.

For example Hans Zimmer made more than 16 hours of experimental music for Dark Phoenix, with long suites that finally ended up being short builds in the actual CD. Same for Pirates of the Caribbean etc.

Same for Steve Jablonsky, a good example would be Battleship with way more expressive music in the recording sessions than in the final product.
Also, "We Have to Go" from Transformers 5 and later released "We Have to Go/Ospreys" is a good example that shows how he created a suite that he had in mind before editing it to fit the movie. (Incredible track, oh yeah).

And basically, Hiroyuki Sawano creates many variations that he puts in a single long track, that is later divided in several short pieces scattered on different episodes. Yeah I know, this guy's way of working is very questionable but still...

Trying to dilute this post in order not to be classified as off topic: YK's El Cazador de la Bruja to cite only one example, I don't think that she seated in front of the TV show's sketchs and said: oh I can just put some shorts BGMs there and there. She really explored the world beyond the anime scenes.
Unlike FSN/HF, it looks like she just wanted to make tracks fitting scenes -very well, and I have to applause- but without going any further...
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Trying to dilute this post in order not to be classified as off topic: YK's El Cazador de la Bruja to cite only one example, I don't think that she seated in front of the TV show's sketchs and said: oh I can just put some shorts BGMs there and there. She really explored the world beyond the anime scenes.
AFAIK not a single TV show Kajiura has worked on was scored to footage (sans 2 scenes in Fate/Zero if I remember correctly, or maybe that was just that they specifically recorded music for the summoning scene and completed the animation later set to music - I don't remember where that interview was). She probably never even saw a script for many of them. Kajiura and Mashimo have described several times how they would work - Kajiura was free to compose whatever based on a description sheet from Mashimo and he would use it how he pleased.
It really wasn't until later that she started contemplating her approach to composing for anime and being more careful as to not overpower dialogue. Much to our disappointment today. lol. If she was scoring the show today, we probably wouldn't have gotten anything close to what we got back then.

I can't really comment on your examples, because other than Pirates of the Caribbean I've not listened to them. And those OST as standalones were fucking cancer to me. Thankfully we have sessions/complete bootlegs out there...
 
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Justisamuel

I adore Yuki
It really wasn't until later that she started contemplating her approach to composing for anime and being more careful as to not overpower dialogue. Much to our disappointment today. lol.
Exactly, that's precisely why I'm complaining. She can make better music without overshadowing the show !
PS: Transformers scores are among my favorite scores, I don't get it why you call it cancer :p

So nobody comments on "despair and hope"? The ending of the track is so good, it really added to this tragic scene :'(
 
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