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Yuki Kajiura to compose for "FSN [Heaven's Feel]" movies [part III "Spring Song" > Spring 2020] | Part II OST in Aug 21

sora

Bowl of Yuki-shaped cereal
It's not rockish at all. It's slower than IBY.
Ah, still looking forward to it.
I don't think it's up to her. Bretty sure the directors will ask her if they want her to arrange a VN track. She'll probably do Emiya in the next movie.
All those swordland arrangements in Ordinal Scale's ost were her idea if I remember correctly. She put them in as fanservice. I figured she might do the same here and rearrange a few tracks from the vn seeing as how huge the fate franchise has become in these past few years. Emiya will probably get a remix, but she didn't do it for f/z so she might not do it here either.
 

sora

Bowl of Yuki-shaped cereal
I watched the cam rip

I think I actually enjoyed this ost a bit more than the first. There are a few too many repeat tracks, but I liked the horror sounds used during some of the more frightening scenes. They helped a lot in separating this movie from the f/z sound.

Battle tracks were decent, but I think Kajiura needs to take a long break from choral work; I didn’t really care for any of the choirs I heard and Kimetsu no yaiba pv doesn’t give me much hope for improvement.
 

Lorde-Kowz

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Battle tracks were decent, but I think Kajiura needs to take a long break from choral work; I didn’t really care for any of the choirs I heard and Kimetsu no yaiba pv doesn’t give me much hope for improvement.
I don't think the choir is the problem, but rather the way she uses it. The choir chants the intro and ending of a piece. They rarely carry the piece anymore. And that's all they do. The rest is strings, with maybe a solo singer in the middle.
Also, the harmonies are so basic. She has written more complex or more developed harmonies for pop songs than for pieces with a SATB choir. Wtf!

But again, maybe I'l change my mind after I listen to the. I guess I expected more considering how delicious I beg you is.
 
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sora

Bowl of Yuki-shaped cereal
I don't think the choir is the problem, but rather the way she uses it. The choir chants the intro and ending of a piece. They rarely carry the piece anymore. And that's all they do. The rest is strings, with maybe a solo singer in the middle.
Also, the harmonies are so basic. She has written more complex or more developed harmonies for pop songs than for pieces with a SATB choir. Wtf!

But again, maybe I'l change my mind after I listen to the. I guess I expected more considering how delicious I beg you is.
I'm not equipped to do a technical breakdown, but everything you said sounds about similar to the problems I have with her choirs. On top of all that, I just don't like how slurred the singing sounds in recent uses. It could just be the lyrics or the mixing, but I never thought the singing was muddy in KnK, Tsubasa, or even F/Z.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
but I never thought the singing was muddy in KnK, Tsubasa, or even F/Z.
Triggered! (lolz, kidding) I'm no expert either (so maybe we understand/use that word differently/wrong, too) but the original soundtracks for KNK are absolutely a mess. All of them. It's like someone put the reverb knob on WET 100% with 0 dry audio. And then on the Music Collection they sound far clearer. If they re-released the soundtracks as standalones with a new mix, I'd be all over them. (Then again, I probably would be even if they re-released the originals as standalones, lol. I'd also be all over a lossless 5.1 Blu-Ray OST release for all of KNK with the original 5.1 movie mix. ^^)

Takashi Koiwa (the mixing engineer responsible for all post-Tsubasa YK anime; all Kalafina songs too I think?) is such a mixed bag when it comes to his final products. And these days it feels like he has no vision in his mixing (particularly when it comes to the more orchestral recordings), just flat mixes it all down and calls it a day. The Kasahara tracks in presage flower OST are just mixing garbage (and mastering too).

At least NHK is smart enough to use their own people for their soundtracks. (Rekishi Hiwa, Hanako to Anne)

Kajiura's choirs usage never was impressive. Even in the Good Old Days(TM). Also justice for KNK7#M17.

PS. I did compile all of the soundtrack mixing/recording/mastering credits for posting sometime. Didn't have time to sit down on the non-Soundtrack stuff...
 
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VyseLegendaire

7 billion humans. She must know I exist
Summary from glossing over dis thread; It turns out Kajiura Yuki is just some old fool who accidentally made some catchy tunes 18 years ago??
 

george1234

Moderator
No she she was able to do them because she had more inspiration back then, she was possibly less lazy, and had less of autopilot options. It was the time she was discovering herself so she tried anything in composition, arrangement, lyrics, instruments use, languages (italian english latin german). Directors who let her compose freely also helped.

Now she has preset paths that she uses all the time: Strings, guitar on bridge, same sounding choirs, less diverse melodies,lyrics only in japanese or simplified kajiurago etc and now the directors ask for specific moods and tailor-made scenes. And she seems to be fine with it. Not to menthion that after Knk 1/5 of each soundtrack is sfx bgms which is i believe is related to her new approach that she shouldnt disturb the audience from the action which leads to OSTs with less instruments, and less vocals.
 
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grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
You're probably onto something there, Vyse. :) Don't know about the fool or accidental part... but yes... None of us are getting younger.

Going back to Takashi Koiwa delivering a mixed bag - just listen to Point Zero and the flower will bloom. He did both of them and the sound difference is perplexing IMHO.

Maybe if Heaven's Feel gets a standalone Music Collection he will upgrade the mix. Just wishful thinking (because I actually like the flower will bloom/she did not answer).
 

Lorde-Kowz

I have reached Yuki nirvana
@grunty Could it be they have more time or a higher budget for standalone releases, and the CDs that come with the movies are rushed jobs? I don't really know about mixing, so it;s just a guess, hue.
 

grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Skipped through the audio.

Literally nothing about that opening theme made me think of I beg you, lol. (And it was boring.) There's some short solo violin and cello tracks so that's nice, I guess. A gigantic wat da fuk at that heroic bgm at school(?did not watch video). Very much preferred the strings and energy "in the flower will bloom"/"she did not answer" compared to this new rendition. I like the new parts in the arrange with the first opening strings. There's one part right in the middle of the movie during a fight where the violin(s?) inbetween choirs do some totally unKajiura thing that caught me by surprise - not sure if like yet. Nightmare and ShirouxZouken tracks seem coal (and here clearly heard I beg you strings).

Sans the choirs and some WTF moments, I think I'm looking forward to hearing it in beter quality.

Also did I miss any flute? Thought maybe "fears and hopes" would be developed more.
 
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Lorde-Kowz

I have reached Yuki nirvana
Literally nothing about that opening theme made me think of I beg you, lol. (And it was boring.)
You mean the one that's only strings? Or the Kasahara Konsei?
I might be crazy but, the strings track at the very beginning, isn't it playing the second voice from the "lie lie lie lalala" part?
Kasahara is singing the melody from the IBG refrain, although slower and a little simplified.
There's some short solo violin and cello tracks so that's nice, I guess.
The one that plays before Shiro goes to save Sakura? That one was nice. There was also a nice cello track with strings doing pizzicato.
A gigantic wat da fuk at that heroic bgm at school(?did not watch video).
Hue, I thought the same. Who in the world thought it was a good idea? It was very out of place considering the mood of the scenes form ebfore and after.
Very much preferred the strings and energy "in the flower will bloom"/"she did not answer" compared to this new rendition.
It seems it combines the main motifs from both movies.
Sans the choirs and some WTF moments, I think I'm looking forward to hearing it in beter quality.
Same. Maybe I'll enjoy it more if I heart it in better quality and without voices and sfx.
Also did I miss any flute? Thought maybe "fears and hopes" would be developed more.
Definitely no flute.
 
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grunty

I have reached Yuki nirvana
I might be crazy but, the strings track at the very beginning, isn't it playing the second voice from the "lie lie lie lalala" part?
Kasahara is singing the melody from the IBG refrain, although slower and a little simplified.
I was talking about the Kasahara opener and I really don't hear IBY there lol. Not saying it's not...
That first track though: Ugh, your mind! My brain definitely didn't put those together and no wonder. I mean, to me it's hardly a "melody" or anything charasteristic in itself, lol, just going up and down a scale....

PS. I still really really like IBY.
 
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