KP-X's last showdown (+celebrations inside)

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So, let's get this straight.

Sarcasm isn't allowed in this forum. Or at least when people get offended because they apparently lack the capacity to comprehend it. They just take it personal, and believe I'm being an horrible hater who curse them. Amazing logic going on here.

Then, I get a friendly PM asking me very politely to stop being sarcastic. Because people are getting crazy at their own stupidity, but blame on others. And since there's no chance this can be solved peacefully among both parties, I just have to stop using sarcasm to avoid conflicts. Also, a great way to take care of a forum, I'm impressed.

And in the end, good users begin to say their goodbyes to CPM because of the current situation. Criticism isn't allowed. It's just haters who scorn Kajiura with all their might who are plaguing our forum. Let's go back to the shiny days in which Kajiura was a divine entity, who gave us light and hope through her perfect songs. Let's stop with all this heresy, everything is fine. See? The onion shows this as well:

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I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm tired of how things are happening here. I'm tired of the poor administration (please, don't PM me, both Kerahna and George. There's nothing to discuss anymore). I'm tired of "+1" and other things, when just some months earlier I could at least see grunty being grunty, regardless of I agreeing with him or no.

So, I bid you all farewell. Farewell to the delusional fans who cannot accept a single critique (I won't mention names because I'm lazy, but you all know who I'm talking about. I could say I pity you, but you don't need nor want my pity, so whatever). Farewell to the previously banned members who I'M SURE will be good users this time around. Just what this forum needs right now. And lastly, goodbye to those users with whom I've created nice bonds, who were reasonable people. I'm sorry, but I can't stay here any longer. The rainbows are blinding me right now.

And don't be shy, to those who never liked me to begin with, just post the fireworks.
 
Aww, I actually liked you.
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And Grunty and Winter.

And Ninetales but that goes without saying obviously.
 
While I don't go on chat so I am not aware of how things are really, I hope people calm down a bit and this can still be a fun place to talk about Yuki's works. I still have fun here, but I do understand that it does get out of hand at times. I will be sad if you go as well.
 
But now the forum will be filled with happiness and joy and we may join hands and sing along to Kajiura-sama's songs and talk about how beautiful her compositions are without dirty nasty haters ruining everything ever with their alternative opinions which they're not allowed to have because they are different from mine! :sohappy:
 
Sarcastic much, Kobalos?

KP, you were fun in chat and I really enjoyed your snark, so you'll be missed.

(don't really read the forums much beyond general and spam, so can't really comment on anything else)
 
KP-X said:
I'm tired of the poor administration (please, don't PM me, both Kerahna and George. There's nothing to discuss anymore
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Wait, please explain yourself here, did you ever asked for something and didnt happen ? What do you want me to do ? to ban the ones that are happy by listening to the music, that's the supposed aim of the fansite.

Complaining about the quality of the vocalists or they type and number key changes they songs have, is pointless if the ones that create the music dont hear these critics, to help them improve. So I suggest to everyone that's critical instead of fighting with the opposite opinion fans, to compose a letter and send it to Yuki, containing his or her complains and suggesting of improving, also read here viewtopic.php?p=205677#p205677.
 
^ But, in the same way, surely it's not pointless to be critical if you enjoy doing it with people who share the same opinion? Just like how you can enjoy being positive with others who think the same, the opposite applies for negativity, too. I know there's a stereotype about British people loving to complain, and it's certainly true where I live, so why shouldn't it be true for others elsewhere?

I know I love talking about why I dis/like things in the hopes of getting into a huge wanky tl;dr rant about it with other people because I feel that's more substantial than going I LOVE IT LOL! and that's the end of it.

Not all discussions on alternative opinions are fights.

@Black Sword I'm always sarcastic. Think of it as a defense mechanism to cover up my crippling insecurities rather than a personal attack, if you will.
 
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Kobalos said:
Not all discussions on alternative opinions are fights.
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I agree on this, but I'm saying the above because in this forum for some reason all discussions of this type tend to go overboard and we most of time end up on a war.

What mods/admins should do on this case? Ban everyone that's involved? I don't think so, most possibly the ones that do personal attacks and uses the worst manner/vocabulary of the ones involved.

So the only key on this is to be careful on what you say and not use expression that would irritate the other even more.
 
^ I've never banned anyone when I moderated other forums. I just insisted that they talk it out themselves like actual adults instead of running to a figure of authority because they can't handle the heat of the fire they've assisted in starting. It usually works.

Not everyone is going to like each other or even get along in a forum with your celebrated 1,000 users. There will be serious arguments occasionally, but when they happen, you shouldn't just bring out the ban hammer and start swinging. Tell them to take it to PM if you don't want it to be public rather than saying NO DISAGREEMENTS ALLOWED EVER.
 
^ I didnt said they are not allowed, I said that complaining about things concerning the music an artists produces or the quality of they vocalists is pointless, if at the same time they don't let the artist become aware of their opinion to help them improve. Talking here about the flaws will not have any result even if the ones that think that Wakana doesn't sing well win against the ones that think that she stills singing well.

And to make thing clear, we never banned anyone who left the past few months (grunty, tsubasa, KP-X (?)) they gone themselves, so don't talk about "banned" the only ones that were banned since the forum was established 5 years ago was Kizuato, Mint and Ponti, and winterviolet correct me if I'm wrong. Three of the banned ones have secondary account, but contrary to the forum rules, me and Kera decided to give them a chance to behave politely.
 
^ Then, equally, isn't talking about their positive aspects pointless because the artists can't hear and become motivated by those positive comments? I wouldn't call any discussion pointless.

And I never said you had, I just mentioned that in repost to your comment about banning everyone involved.

winterviolet
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Really?! Why?!
 
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^ Then, equally, isn't talking about their positive aspects pointless because the artists can't hear and become motivated by those positive comments? I wouldn't call any discussion pointless.
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Well not really, since every year we have chances to motivate her with positive comments during various occations, like the overseas lives (China, Hong Kong , Maysia, Singapore, US, Germany etc), her twitter events she was doing since last year, and last but not least the birthday project we make every year.

Maybe you can consider making a yearly complains & suggestions letter every year with the other critical people :ayashii:

Kobalos said:
winterviolet
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Really?! Why?!
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Well, to make long story short, there was a period were there was LOTS of spam, so winter demanded from Kera and Sud to change the forum software to an other one with more spam protection and change the chat software to one that that make permanent ban posible (because on the current on, even if you get kicked, you can enter as many times as you want). But there wasnt possible to find such software that was fitting and free, so she start attacking personally to Kera for many days + fuse on the forum, so she got banned for short period of time, untill she calmed down.
She also had made her own set of rules so when she got banned, which then she got down and didnt let us reuse them.

Now we have both rules and much better antispam so she has no reason to complain anymore XD
 
^ And, yet again, in the same way, there's a chance to mention negative aspects there as well. It's exactly the same situation. If you say there's no point in mentioning negative things on the forum because they won't see them, what's the point in mentioning positive things on the forum because they won't see them?

+ I can't say I approve of the rules against sarcasm, which I consider to be good conversation filler/banter.
 
What a great trend we have here - TEH DRAMA. :uh..: Sorry if I sound a bit rude, but it's getting annoying. We've been plagued by goodbye threads since August, and all for the reason of newcomers' complaints. Of course, this has never happened before, and of course, neither the sarcasm providers nor newcomers have ever gotten over it - and OF COURSE, as Kobalos said, leaving will solve the problem in the most efficient way and make the forum much better! :desksweat:

You see, it has always been simple - fanboying/fangirling from one side, skepticism from the other, counter-sarcasm from the former (some people combine YK pink glasses with having had enough encounters with the unpleasable fanbase phenomenon which is rarely destructive in and of itself, mind you), counter-counter-sarcasm from the latter, and after a couple posts' worth of mild bickering everyone moves on. I'm still amused about people's attitude to fanboying at a fansite that deliberately established this course from early on (there's a certain line at the top of CPM home page that nobody seems to notice anymore), but the most critical folks are by and large the community's veterans who have heard it all and have some grounds to form their opinion and attitude. Newcomers, on the other hand, are typically new to the forum.
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Not knowing the older members well, they happen to misinterpret their sarcasm as true hostility towards the work and people who enjoy it. Some go as far as complaining, sending PMs and such. The only difference is, it never used to spark up any real conflict and door-slamming. What's wrong now?

Oh wait, the answer was given:

I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm tired of how things are happening here. I'm tired of the poor administration (please, don't PM me, both Kerahna and George. There's nothing to discuss anymore). I'm tired of "+1" and other things, when just some months earlier I could at least see grunty being grunty, regardless of I agreeing with him or no.
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OK... well, sad to hear you feel burnt out, but I don't know how I can help. The only thing is I know is that this forum has always been tolerant towards the output of the artist it "worships", for the most part. Want some healthy realistic skepticism? Last time I checked, you guys were providing it... before you all started bailing out, that is. All in a month's time. If someone remains unfazed after long arguments with Nick "EVER-PLEASED CAT" Hunter and then has a breakdown over a single post from a person who has yet to get to know them well enough... Well, I guess that kinda fits the definition of "tired".

In the end, there's little to do but to wish you good luck, then wait and hope for the day you may return. But if you think the forum will better off without you, its long time members, what can I say? Think again. :leaf:
 
^ This. I don't really want KP-X or anyone else to go because I don't want to end up the only one saying ~bad~ things.
 
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Kobalos said:
^ And, yet again, in the same way, there's a chance to mention negative aspects there as well. It's exactly the same situation. If you say there's no point in mentioning negative things on the forum because they won't see them, what's the point in mentioning positive things on the forum because they won't see them?
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True, but it has never happened before as far as I know. These events irl or on twitter are organized for fans to thank the girls and the composer for the music they produce. Now if you have the guts to go in front and say the things you don't like, then go on ;)
 
^ I just don't understand why discussion has to be limited to nice and pleasant things. Sometimes having a good bitch about something is amazing catharsis.
 
It's up to people themselves to get along, not admin to tell them what to say :uh..: unfortunately we can't control when people get offended either, but all we can ask is for everyone to try to treat each other with respect and avoid saying things you know might hurt others. That has always been the general guidelines for any society. Sometimes people online don't realize that they're talking to other humans who have feelings, and say things that they wouldn't otherwise say to a person's face.

Regarding banning users, that only happens when people blatantly start attacking others for the sake of upsetting them. This is usually associated with deletion of multiple accounts they may try to make to continue the harassment. Even those members are allowed to return if they demonstrate good behavior ;) There has never been and never will be a rule against sarcasm or expressing one's own opinions regarding music. The only time when that might feel like it's the case is when the sarcasm appears directed at another member with malicious intent.

For the record, winter has never been banned :ayashii: though she took a break for a while she still comes around.

I think in general, what this forum needs is for its members to accept each others' differing opinions on music, and try to not take things too personally. Unfortunately, that's something people will need to do for themselves, not something that admin can help with.
 
A'ight back the fuck down now before you hurt yourself with your acid wit lmao do you need some time out to calm yourself or are we cool to act like adults?
 
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